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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | That could be just a shadow in a narrow gully?
No corrals as there is no rancho nearby?
Yes, that is where I also spotted the hot spring. It would be a short walk from the road and shorter if you can drive overland towards the spring from
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let me try again, David
the Vallecito close to the walls seems to have water but it is 3.5 miles away from the road. 4 miles from Pancho
the location where I think the hot springs are is less than a mile from the road. 2 miles from Pancho
what I have called Vallecito so far is actually Arroyo el Carrizo
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I was only talking about the hot spring as far as the distance from the road or south of Pancho's.
I think the hot spring is about 1.8 miles from Pancho's and the wall is 4.5 miles from Pancho's?
Bajazly: Have you gone ashore to see the hot springs or even knew of them, midway between Pancho's and the wall? Photos??? 
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according to Consag there are several hot springs along the cost between El Morro Blanco and San Rafael
see page 50
https://archive.org/stream/lifeworksofrever00kons#page/50/mo...
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Bajazly: Have you gone ashore to see the hot springs or even knew of them, midway between Pancho's and the wall? Photos??? |
The first I heard of the hot spring was just a couple days ago on this thread. Next time I have the boat out at SR I will most certainly go ashore and
have a look. Looks like there is a good landing beach there, most of the coastline down that way is pretty rugged.
If I can entice your buddy Fishy the Squirrel to head down that way with me and the inflatable we will check it out for sure. Probably pull into the
wall beach and investigate this other wall too, that has my interest peaked now. I'll be down there later in the summer one way or another and report
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Harald, what are you calling El Morro Blanco? On page 52 they talk about a pond with a well near by. I have never known about a well near Pancho's
unless it is over at the rancho. There is also an estuary south of San Rafael and I guess it could be that one too.
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you're trying 4x4 and we like it
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El Morro Blanco is the likely location where Consag anchored on June 16
28°29'47.35"N, 113° 5'30.88"W
I found the name on some map, don't remember which
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please try to
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So, what the heck is that wall for and who built it?
Way point: 28° 31.072'N 113° 6.627'W.
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That's the million peso question... Same for the Las Animas Mystery Walls.
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You could see the walls at Las Animas as little bit logical because you could develop something there to live, except for the lack of water but the
wall up the red cliffs, that is just bizarre.
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just the size and straightness indicate that it was not your average rancher at work.
it was a professional job with substantial manpower
something Boleo would have done
I have recorded dozens of walls in Baja - they usually follow the contour of the terrain (like the old wall north of the straight one) and they are
much less substantial - just big enough to retain animals.
the water retaining Murallas (like in San Ignacio) are a different story - they are enormous
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Think you could get to the wall on a bike?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly | | You could see the walls at Las Animas as little bit logical because you could develop something there to live, except for the lack of water but the
wall up the red cliffs, that is just bizarre. |
Well, there was water there as the dam and date palm indicate... all why Choral Pepper believed this may have been a started mission (as shown on the
Jesuit map as Santa María Magdalena):
https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/lost_jes...
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It would be a rough trip, pretty rugged out there and you might need some rappelling skills once you got to the edge to get down to it. Maybe right
along the coast from the south but again, pretty tough. The coast down there is very rocky and rises quick.
Looks like about 40 miles from Bahia by boat and there is a landing beach there. I went out of San Rafael in an inflatable, bout 5 miles south.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | just the size and straightness indicate that it was not your average rancher at work.
it was a professional job with substantial manpower
something Boleo would have done
I have recorded dozens of walls in Baja - they usually follow the contour of the terrain (like the old wall north of the straight one) and they are
much less substantial - just big enough to retain animals.
the water retaining Murallas (like in San Ignacio) are a different story - they are enormous |
La Muralla, an amazing monument to 18th Century engineering: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/la_mural...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly |
It would be a rough trip, pretty rugged out there and you might need some rappelling skills once you got to the edge to get down to it. Maybe right
along the coast from the south but again, pretty tough. The coast down there is very rocky and rises quick.
Looks like about 40 miles from Bahia by boat and there is a landing beach there. I went out of San Rafael in an inflatable, bout 5 miles south.
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JZ can drive his big truck to within 3.5 miles of it, unload the bikes there. Heck, he has the drone... just fly ahead and look beofre letting his
kids go at it.
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I think you can get to the wall on a bike
I have traced a number of animal trails going in and out
have it on the list to get there with a 4x4
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
I think you can get to the wall on a bike
I have traced a number of animal trails going in and out
have it on the list to get there with a 4x4 |
Well, are you gonna share with us?
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here are the tracks that might be usable for a motor vehicle
there is a dozen more that seem a bit rough
Attachment: El Carricito.kmz (15kB)
This file has been downloaded 187 times
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