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first road Santa Rosalia - San Ignacio
aside from a connection to Santa Agueda, San Ignacio seems to have played a major role in the life of Santa Rosalia
there was a significant mule trail between the 2 towns, but with automobiles came new challenge - how to get them through the mountains on pathways
wide enough for cars
I think I finally found all of the first road between Santa Rosalia and San Ignacio
Attachment: first Santa Rosalia - San Ignacio road.kmz (2kB)
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Interesting. The white line is the wagon road you think?
The old auto road maps all show the the same general route as Hwy 1 other than the steep grade, I think?
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I find maps interesting
but I don't trust them much
I trust what I see with my own eyes
yes, the white line is the first road for cars between towns
below is the mule trail
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There's another route down the steep section that starts farther to the east. It starts right where your black route kinks up to the NE, at the top
of the "hill." Go straight off that turn and there's a 2-track down to the bottom of the canyon. Comes out in the bottom of the big canyon vado.
I've been about halfway down, but had to turn back due to rockfall blocking the way.
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yeah, I know that road.
Does not tie into any roads going to the mines in the area
main reason seems to be that there are several Tinajas down in the Arroyo
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Quote: Originally posted by MulegeAL  | There's another route down the steep section that starts farther to the east. It starts right where your black route kinks up to the NE, at the top
of the "hill." Go straight off that turn and there's a 2-track down to the bottom of the canyon. Comes out in the bottom of the big canyon vado.
I've been about halfway down, but had to turn back due to rockfall blocking the way.
[Edited on 7-10-2019 by MulegeAL] |
That is the old transpeninsular main road previous to 1972.
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that is part of the Boleo road, David
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Oh, I am sure Boleo made it... It was the main road to La Paz in the 1960s and I think back to the 1930s, at least.
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Like Cuesta Vieja at Tres Virgines (the one that David shows) Cuesta del Infierno has an interesting dirt road predecessor
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You got it, that's the old main highway before 1972.
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question - does anyone have a high resolution scan of the 1905 Goldman map?
It shows the original mule trail between San Ignacio and Santa Rosalia
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that mule trail was quite elaborate
it could easily be mistaken for Jesuit work
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please do David
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is the original really that bad?
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David, maybe you can help with this one. In Arthur North's book where he chronicles his near death experience walking through the Viscaino trying to
find the trail that led to San Ignacio it turns out that the natives said that he took the road least used.
That most people came into town using a different more traveled road. I think that he lost his bearings and never reached the more traveled junction.
Would you be able to trace out the route he took vs the route he should have? I remember as they struggled along he found the Camino Real trail by
its hallmarks of being out lined somewhat by stones and later on a number of lonely road side graves.
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The following is a link to a KMZ file for a moto trip my moto gang rode in 2011 between Santa Rosalia and San Ignacio..... an epic ride that followed
goat/cow trails at the westerly end....VERY difficult ride according to A riders......I was riding with a Nomad on a different trip at same time....
https://wm-no.glb.shawcable.net/service/home/~/?auth=co&loc=en&id=229973&part=2
[Edited on 7-11-2019 by motoged]
[Edited on 7-11-2019 by motoged]
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link does not work
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Interesting us of the word “work.” I don't think jesuits did any work. I think the jesuit’s indigenous slaves did all of the work, and original
routes/paths were created by indigenous people long before jesuit imperialist missionaries arrived.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Interesting us of the word “work.” I don't think jesuits did any work. I think the jesuit’s indigenous slaves did all of the work, and original
routes/paths were created by indigenous people long before jesuit imperialist missionaries arrived. |
We have a trainer working with our new pup. He keeps biting the wife's feet. The trainer told her to just ignore him, as he's seeking attention.
Give him a chew toy and move on. Don't get mad at him, as it will only encourage him.
I can understand that from a 12 week old pup, a little hard for me to understand why a 60+ yo man exhibits the same behavior?
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