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4x4abc
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snorkeling in La Paz
when you go snorkeling around La Paz, keep your eyes open for Indian fish traps.
Rocks carefully stacked close to the shoreline create little basins that fill during high tide and trap fish with the falling water of low tide.
Some around Balandra - many on Espiritu Santo
today they are completely underwater even at low tide (water levels have risen over the last few hundred years)
older than Camino Real and mainly intact
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if you like to read (page 90) rather than speculate:
http://www.pcas.org/Vol34N4/5Fujita.pdf
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That is a nice paper. Thanks for the link.
Regarding the fish traps; do you think it may also be possible that over the hundreds of years, these rocks settled and fell a bit from daily tides,
wind-waves, earthquakes, as well as simply moved deeper into the wet sand from gravity, so that they no longer appeared above the high tide?
I don't know of any rock walls in the ocean that remain exactly the same with all that is acted upon them. Rising sea level is the simple answer...
but is it the correct one?
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according to Eric Ritter sea levels have been significantly lower in pre missionary times
hey, he is the scientist, why would I second guess him?
However, there is science and published opinion about Baja's history. So you are right to be careful.
But you'll be safe with Ritter. His work is immaculate.
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Eric Ritter and I have exchanged many emails. He is a great fan of Baja archeology and has many papers published. He mentions me in his paper on the
mission warehouse on Gonzaga Bay, in fact.
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pretty cool bud, thanks for sharing, ill keep an eye out!
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Eric Ritter and I have exchanged many emails. He is a great fan of Baja archeology and has many papers published. He mentions me in his paper
on the mission warehouse on Gonzaga Bay, in fact. |
Dude you need to just knock this off. Why are you trying so f'ing hard to impress people on the internet.
Jameis, your pee pee must be very tiny.
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Kind of like flying a drone everywhere and posting oversized pictures?? You forget about being nice when you aren't asking for directions.
Have a nice weekend.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Eric Ritter and I have exchanged many emails. He is a great fan of Baja archeology and has many papers published. He mentions me in his paper
on the mission warehouse on Gonzaga Bay, in fact. |
Dude you need to just knock this off. Why are you trying so f'ing hard to impress people on the internet.
Jameis, your pee pee must be very tiny.
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yes, it is annoying
but lets face it - people love to talk about themselves
that's why facebook and forums became so popular
they give people a platform they never had before
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Kind of like flying a drone everywhere and posting oversized pictures?? You forget about being nice when you aren't asking for directions.
Have a nice weekend. |
the difference is that
some post about what they did
some post about who they did it with
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Please count them and tell us exactly how many.
By the way, I know an Eric Ritter too, though not the same Eric Ritter you are talking about. We have exchanged MANY emails, OFTEN with IMPORTANT
attachments such as word and excel files full of words and data - very exciting documents of CRITICAL importance to accomplishing our own MODEST
(modesty is a virtue) contributions to commerce, and contributing to the GREAT economy of the USA. He lives on east coast, so our emails have traveled
MUCH FARTHER than your emails (our emails often travel over fiber optic, and for the brief period they are in fiber optic, these emails travel at
speeds of over half the speed of light). Can you TOP that!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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you guys need to give David a break! Can't you see he is faced with a huge soul crushing dilemma here!
He wants so bad to make sure all of us here are aware of just how important he is: Mr. Ritters including him in his writings gives him a chance to
puff out his chest. But as he sings his praises - he is faced with the obvious issue here. Mr. Ritter is talking about sea levels rising.
So you can see Davids tortured ham fisted attempt to side step that issue, try and explain it away - so his magic palm tree Theory can remain intact!
It's a truly Herculean task to maintain climate denier status in the face of overwhelming evidence from every branch of science, and now to top that
off -
David is presented with the Gordian knot of maintaining his Chief denier status while simultaneously patting himself on the back while looking in the
mirror!
I , for one give him credit for trying!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | That is a nice paper. Thanks for the link.
Regarding the fish traps; do you think it may also be possible that over the hundreds of years, these rocks settled and fell a bit from daily tides,
wind-waves, earthquakes, as well as simply moved deeper into the wet sand from gravity, so that they no longer appeared above the high tide?
I don't know of any rock walls in the ocean that remain exactly the same with all that is acted upon them. Rising sea level is the simple answer...
but is it the correct one? |
Yes it is possible.....but wave and tide action would likely affect such rock formations in a way that changes/destroys the initial structure
form....which does not appear to be so in Harald's pic. And, please share your research info regarding fish traps, etc around th world....as many
cultures used them.
David, could you admit that rising ocean levels is an explanation that is also possible?
[Edited on 7-14-2019 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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all these fish traps are in protected coves with shallow water
almost all are on the downwind side (south or south-west)
so, no destructive wave action
Espititu Santo has been inhabited 40,000 (no typo) years
that gave those early humans a lot of time to figure out what works
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here is another great one
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That is amazing Harald. Next time we are out at the island we will check it out.
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drop me your email and I'll send you locations
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Sent.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | all these fish traps are in protected coves with shallow water
almost all are on the downwind side (south or south-west)
so, no destructive wave action
Espititu Santo has been inhabited 40,000 (no typo) years
that gave those early humans a lot of time to figure out what works |
don't know where that 40K year figure came from, harald, can you point me toward that research. regardless, humans were here in the americas
during the end of the ice age. during that time - sea levels rose in some places 100 meters higher
https://noc.ac.uk/news/global-sea-level-rise-end-last-ice-ag...
- hence the Pygmy Mammoths that lived on the channel islands.
https://www.nps.gov/chis/learn/historyculture/pygmymammoth.h...
so if those fish traps were in place even 12K years ago, they would have been build to a significantly lower sea level, and the end of the ice age
simply raised the sea levels a bit more.
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In both photos I'ma seein' misaligned boobies ????
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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