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Hook
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Punta Banda was a nature reserve? Who knew???
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thebajarunner
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You seem a bit confused
"Nature reserve" was rather incidental to the original posts, which dealt with "Government Corruption" and land sold with no apparent regard to real
ownership (we call that 'title' in the trade)
your question>>>Please give us an example where this happened in Mexico in the past. I can't recall one.
And my answer, Punta Banda, a classic example of where someone, obviously with some serious government backing, was able to circumvent title, deeds,
ownership, etc. and cost a lot of people a lot of money.
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Alm
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x2.
Keeping one's head in sand definitely helps staying positive  . Not sure that such
a, er... position is what this BN forum has been about. At some times there is more of this, though.
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Hook
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Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  |
"Nature reserve" was rather incidental to the original posts, which dealt with "Government Corruption" and land sold with no apparent regard to real
ownership (we call that 'title' in the trade)
your question>>>Please give us an example where this happened in Mexico in the past. I can't recall one.
And my answer, Punta Banda, a classic example of where someone, obviously with some serious government backing, was able to circumvent title, deeds,
ownership, etc. and cost a lot of people a lot of money. |
Yeah, I'm sure the Goat was completely uninterested in the nature reserve aspect of the story....... 
Do you REALLY think that someone who has been on this board for so long and with so many posts as I, dismissed the idea of a corrupted land sale in
Mexico? Of course they happen.
You implied that the custodians of the nature reserve land could have turned around and sold it. You implied that was the biggest issue in this story.
I asked for a previous example where a nature custodian in Mexico turned around and sold the land they were supposed to protect.
Still waiting on that.........
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bajaric
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Granting land title at a low cost is not necessarily "corruption". Mexico has a process that allows a citizen to "homestead" on "bald land" where no
one has established ownership and acquire title to the land from the government at little or no cost. I knew a Mexican guy that got some land in
Tijuana that way for free and built a house on it. This process dates back to the Mexican revolution when the big haciendas were seized by the
revolutionary government and redistributed to the landless people of Mexico. The question here is if someone already had title to the land in
question. There seems to be some dispute about that. I wonder how much land in Baja is still Government-owned.
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JZ
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Interesting, but I wish he'd have spent a little money to have someone narrate it.
[Edited on 8-22-2019 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lobsterman | What does this have to do with BN's philosophy of tacos,....... This is just another attempt by goat to stir the pot on BN with negative stories that
having nothing to do with BNers. Who really gives a chit! You are a foreigner in Mexico who is not allowed to engage in political rebel rousing or
you will be expelled.
With Joe gone goat must be looking to take his place with negative posts whose purpose is to get us to argue amongst ourselves.
[Edited on 8-20-2019 by Lobsterman] |
This topic is appropriate for the board.
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chuckie
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BEARS EARS!
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mojo_norte
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Lobsterman | What does this have to do with BN's philosophy of tacos,....... This is just another attempt by goat to stir the pot on BN with negative stories that
having nothing to do with BNers. Who really gives a chit! You are a foreigner in Mexico who is not allowed to engage in political rebel rousing or
you will be expelled.
With Joe gone goat must be looking to take his place with negative posts whose purpose is to get us to argue amongst ourselves.
[Edited on 8-20-2019 by Lobsterman] |
This topic is appropriate for the board.
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ditto 2x
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Without a clear federal title you are on borrowed time
Do your homework
Lionel 
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BajaRat
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Your Municipal seat has copies of those documents if the parcel is federally titled and who it is tilted to
Great article and YouTube video, thanks for that
Lionel
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Hook
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Not in Mexico. Never administered by an environmental organization.
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thebajarunner
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Still trying to take us off on a tangent, I see
You must have been frightened by an "environmental organization" at some time in the past,
It seems to be an obsession...
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Hook
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I'm more frightened by people who are unaware of what they actually wrote and defend it incorrectly.
No, I generally support environmental organizations. Always have. That's why I demanded proof of an environmental organization in Mexico selling
property that was given over to their custody.
Sometimes they can be guilty of excesses, but corporations "Trump" them on that.
Speaking of Bears Ears, I spent some time there just before it was declared a national monument. It's fairly nice area, if you ignore all the damage
that grazing cattle has done in the nicest, shaded areas.
But when it was declared a new national monument, I went, "yer kidding, right?" It just doesnt seem to merit that distinction when I compare it to so
many other national monuments. Even large sections of Grand Staircase are kind of "meh", IMO.
But I really dont want to see these areas opened up to mining. That's probably the biggest motivation for the forces behind Trump.
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thebajarunner
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One more attempt to clarify
| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | | Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
"Nature reserve" was rather incidental to the original posts, which dealt with "Government Corruption" and land sold with no apparent regard to real
ownership (we call that 'title' in the trade)
your question>>>Please give us an example where this happened in Mexico in the past. I can't recall one.
And my answer, Punta Banda, a classic example of where someone, obviously with some serious government backing, was able to circumvent title, deeds,
ownership, etc. and cost a lot of people a lot of money. |
Yeah, I'm sure the Goat was completely uninterested in the nature reserve aspect of the story.......
Do you REALLY think that someone who has been on this board for so long and with so many posts as I, dismissed the idea of a corrupted land sale in
Mexico? Of course they happen.
You implied that the custodians of the nature reserve land could have turned around and sold it. You implied that was the biggest issue in this story.
I asked for a previous example where a nature custodian in Mexico turned around and sold the land they were supposed to protect.
Still waiting on that......... |
In the interest of peace and grace.....
My sentence "The scary part is that a "Nature reserve" supposedly owned by an environmental group can be re-sold to a private party, who can then turn
around and re-sell to yet another party." Was not intended to have any implication nor reference to the ownership by any specific entitiy
It could just have easily said "...supposedly owned by a dairy farm" or whatever.
I was trying to focus on the lack of integrity in Mexican chain of title, not hone in on any particular group.
Interestingly, were that same situation happening in the US there is little doubt that an environmental group would have put land use restrictions
into the actual deed. These restrictions "run with the land" as we say in the business. I have been burned more than once by poor reading of deed
restrictions, which resulted in some rather hairy negotiations to get them changed (which can only be done by the one who placed them originally)
I used Punta Banda as an example of a place that the title to the properties was clearly "clouded" and a good title company and a careful reading of
the deeds might have avoided some very expensive and painful results. (I use the words "might have" with some caution here- still could have been a
real tangle given the ejido element which was entangled into the deal.)
Hope this helps clarify what I was trying to say. If I could re-write the post I would substitute the words "rightful owner" for the words
"environmental group"
Cheers....
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In Mexico, as always, justice will be served. On a platter. To the highest bidder.
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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