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Cartel Massacre
A bunch of cartel idiots are going to be killed today for what they did.
The double edge sword of chaos.
Es Todo Bueno
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chuckie
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It was a terrible thing, and yet another indicator of how close Mexico is to becoming a failed state.....I doubt much will be done, I hope I am
wrong.
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9 America citizens killed by cartel
Maybe some context for those who don't know what happened in Sonora, a few miles south of Arizona?
Report of an American family traveling to a wedding was gunned down on the highway in their van or SUV. Dead include three women and 5 children. Twin
6 month olds, strapped in car seats burned alive.. other bloody children found at the scene.
Arriving after the event was the grandfather who video taped the burnt vehicle.
President Trump has offered to help the President of Mexico to rid them of these "monsters".
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That would be nice, hopefully by another cartel.
"When you catch a fish, you open the door of happiness."
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As more details emerge, it may be more religion related than drugs...we shall see
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Hook
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Maybe some context for those who don't know what happened in Sonora, a few miles south of Arizona?
Report of an American family traveling to a wedding was gunned down on the highway in their van or SUV. Dead include three women and 5 children. Twin
6 month olds, strapped in car seats burned alive.. other bloody children found at the scene.
Arriving after the event was the grandfather who video taped the burnt vehicle.
President Trump has offered to help the President of Mexico to rid them of these "monsters". |
You're off by two states. This happened south of Texas, according to the maps I've seen.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Maybe some context for those who don't know what happened in Sonora, a few miles south of Arizona?
Report of an American family traveling to a wedding was gunned down on the highway in their van or SUV. Dead include three women and 5 children. Twin
6 month olds, strapped in car seats burned alive.. other bloody children found at the scene.
Arriving after the event was the grandfather who video taped the burnt vehicle.
President Trump has offered to help the President of Mexico to rid them of these "monsters". |
You're off by two states. This happened south of Texas, according to the maps I've seen. |
According to NBC:
". . . Mexican government authorities said the family of three women and 14 children were on their way from Galeana, Chihuahua, to Bavispe, Sonora,
and were attacked near the border between the two states at about 1 p.m. local time. . . ."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mexico-deploys-forces-rep...
It is a tragedy that should not go unpunished regardless of the exact location where it occurred or the reasons why.
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Hook: News showed a map of Sonora, plus said it was in Sonora, which is not south of Texas. Bad maps on the other network?
Edit: Thanks to Mr. Bills and Doug for the confirmation that my source (Fox News) knows where the mass killing was located.
On the local news here in San Diego, they interviewed a family member who confirmed it happened close enough to the family's Sonora ranch that they
heard the gunfire and saw the smoke.
They were going to a town just across the state border in Chihuahua for a wedding.
[Edited on 11-5-2019 by David K]
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The story from the Wall Street Journal, which includes a map:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/relatives-say-at-least-5-u-s-ci...
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At least 9 LeBaron family members, mostly kids, killed in Mexico
'U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Christopher Landau said in a tweet that Mexican authorities had informed their U.S. counterparts that the dead included
three women and six children.'
'70 miles south of Douglas, Arizona'
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lebaron-mexico-family-reports-m...
'They left 6 of Dawnas kids on the side of the road and took off. My aunt Dawnas son Devon hid some of his shot and wounded siblings in the bushes and
ran all the way back to town for help.'
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1016294642...
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While the attack is gruesome and shocking, there may be more to the story. That polygamy cult is not a group of angels.
If elinvestig8r were around, perhaps he could inform about the cult, he escaped from them.
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Hook
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Yeah, that's about a hundred mile west of the map I saw.
Many reports that this family has had prior trouble with the cartels in the area. Very outspoken about them. Also issues with water rights.
Supposedly, family members had been kidnapped before.
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Hook
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | A bunch of cartel idiots are going to be killed today for what they did.
The double edge sword of chaos.
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Nope. Just a double-armed hug from AMLO. 
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Mr. Bills
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook |
. . . Many reports that this family has had prior trouble with the cartels in the area. Very outspoken about them. Also issues with water rights.
Supposedly, family members had been kidnapped before.
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Do you have links or reliable, identifiable sources for these assertions?
If not, you are needlessly inflaming the situation without any facts. Worse, you are suggesting that the victims are somehow responsible for their
own murders.
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Hook
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bills | | Quote: Originally posted by Hook |
. . . Many reports that this family has had prior trouble with the cartels in the area. Very outspoken about them. Also issues with water rights.
Supposedly, family members had been kidnapped before.
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Do you have links or reliable, identifiable sources for these assertions?
If not, you are needlessly inflaming the situation without any facts. Worse, you are suggesting that the victims are somehow responsible for their
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Murder is never justified, Bill. But people are killed for speaking out against the cartels every day, in Mexico. That doesn't make it their fault.
These murders cannot be justified by any sane person.
Search the BBC stories. You'll find it. It's in others. I've read so many stories on this, this AM, that I cant remember where it went.
Really, what this indicates is that the Mexican government account of them POSSIBLY being caught in the crossfire of a cartel shootout or a case of
mistaken identity (they were after ANOTHER set of women and children??) is probably BS; trying to make it look like a random act. It may not be.
[Edited on 11-5-2019 by Hook]
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Here's a sad example of talking sheet about a cartel boss..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mexico-you...
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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In 2009, the LeBaron enclave in Mexico received national attention in Mexico within the context of war against drug trafficking in Mexico, especially
in the northwestern region of the state of Chihuahua. On May 2, Erick Le Baron, 17, was kidnapped for an attempted ransom amount of US$1 million.
However, the spokesman of the entire LeBaron community had previously announced its decision not to pay any ransom but instead to seek the release of
the young man, who was finally freed by his captors on May 10 without there having been made a ransom payment.[32] Throughout this event, the
community spoke out publicly, both in the state capital, Chihuahua, and national and international media against the growing insecurity experienced in
the region and maintained its intention to continue a policy of refusal to pay ransoms in cases of possible kidnappings.
On July 6, 2009, Erick's brother, Benjamin, and another order member, Luis Widmar Stubbs, were kidnapped and soon thereafter were murdered on the
streets of Colonia LeBaron by a group of armed assailants, who left a written message with the victims' bodies which stated that this crime was in
retaliation for Benjamin's activism against the traffickers.[33][34][35]
In the immediate aftermath, the Mexicans manned a garrison in the town.[36] In 2012 Chihuahua state legislator Alex LeBaron began campaigning for
change to Mexican gun laws to legalize arming citizens for self-defense.[37]
A dispute over water between the LeBaron "family" and neighboring peasants belonging to El Barzon broke out in violence when members of the family
shot at a group of 500 peasants who wanted to destroy illegal wells on the ranch.[38] In May 2018 El Barzon accused the LeBaron family and other large
agribusinesses of violating a 1957 agreement by drilling 395 illegal wells in Namiquipa, Riva Palacio, Buenaventura, and Ahumada municipalities. They
are also accused of using false documents to back their claims.[39][40] Heraclio Rodríguez of El Barzon says the LeBaron family are protected by 40
state and federal police.[41][42]
A woman and her four minor children, members of the Church of the Firstborn, are burned alive while driving to Nuevo Casas Grandes, Chihuahua on
November 4, 2019. Members of the community report that two other women and ten children were also kidnapped, although this has not been verified.[43]
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chuckie
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There is a LOT more to this story. The LeBarons have been involved in many murders and there has been a family feud going on for several decades. AND
before anyone says it has nothing to do with Baja, it does. Google Ervil Lebaron, follow the tea leaves...
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | There is a LOT more to this story. The LeBarons have been involved in many murders and there has been a family feud going on for several decades. AND
before anyone says it has nothing to do with Baja, it does. Google Ervil Lebaron, follow the tea leaves... |
This is true. Worked with family members for a season in North Cali. Good guys with scary stories all first hand witnesses. I had the feeling they
weren't going back south.
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Just like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria? I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
John
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