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DaliDali
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Despite any possible nefarious activities of the Mormons....
NO ONE'S kid deserves to be set afire..
AMLO says hugs!!!......ok got that
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chuckie
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Good catch Harald! Well worth watching. I have spent time in and around Bavispe, met and talked to LeBaron family members.A number of books have been
written about Ervil and his cult, and a feature film made. A fascinating and scary bunch.
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Hook
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None of those four were ever really a threat to our national security, as it turned out. Iraq probably came the closest, if you count a cessation in
its oil output a threat to our national security.
I'm not sure I can say that about Mexico anymore.............much closer, too.
AMLO has apparently refused Trump's offer and basically said "Mexico can handle this problem".
Really? 
Here is the BBC story. The history of the family in Mexico, and their problems with the cartels, sounds like someone simply paraphrased what is listed
in Wikipedia about them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50299562
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Lee
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Embargo MX until they admit their failed State and allow US military in to eliminate the cartels. Send in the Marines.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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BajaNaranja
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Quote: Originally posted by Lee  | | Embargo MX until they admit their failed State and allow US military in to eliminate the cartels. Send in the Marines. |
Wow, we are in the presence of a deep thinker with big ideas, real solutions... LOL
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WhackAMolE
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AMLO had better wake up and smell the coffee. His "hugs not bullets" policy toward the cartels is failing. He needs to bring the perpetrators of this
atrocity to justice and stand up to the cartels nationwide.
[Edited on 11-5-2019 by WhackAMolE]
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4x4abc
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NO ONE'S kid deserves to be separated from their parents and sleep in cages
Harald Pietschmann
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If Trump is stupid enough to send in the goons to screw up the country like all the rest of the US invaded nations and make it worse than it is, it
won’t be safe for any US citizen in all of Mexico. Maybe we can start by removing their US market for drugs.Eighteen years in Afghanistan and being
defeated by a bunch of goat herders and laying waste to Iraq, Syria, Libya should be enough of a lesson.
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Embargo MX until they admit their failed State and allow US military in to eliminate the cartels. Send in the Marines. |
and then win like in Lybia? Afghanistan? Irak?
Most importantly - cutting off the drug supply to the US might create an uprising there
Harald Pietschmann
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thebajarunner
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The LeBaron family is a real mix
We did business with Alma LeBaron, owner of Viveros LeBaron in Chihuahua. Great guy. Very honest. And a real gentleman.
Then there is Ervil LB - and he is on the opposite side of the spectrum, for sure.
I had not made this connection today, just was hearing news flashes on the radio and feeling really bad for the "innocent" family.
Seeing the LeBaron name puts it into a whole new perspective.
Hate to judge, as I say, I personally know a real classy family member, but which tribe was on the road....
and then again, does the cartel even care???
Yes, I had some dialogue months ago with Elinvesitg8r and he said that he had worked for Alma and counted him as a real friend.
Trump gets a chance to bluster, AMLO gets a chance to pontificate, and nothing will change.... zero/zip/nada.....
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https://www.eldiariodechihuahua.mx/estado/asesinan-en-enfren...
https://www.facebook.com/julian.lebaron/posts/10218390341383...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/attack-in-mexico-survivor-hid-s...
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advrider
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Never knew of the connection that the video showed. There are so many hands in the drug trade and many of them are American, not just the users.., Sad
when women and children are the target for any reason.
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WhackAMolE
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This seems a little off-topic. The cages Trump put kids in were built by Obama and for exactly the same purpose. Obama had a humongous humanitarian
crisis on the southern border from 2014 onward and handled it just as badly as Trump did. It's hypocritical when anyone gets outraged at Trump putting
kids in cages and separating families. That's exactly what Obama did. In fact Obama did happen to put fewer kids in cages (to protect them from sexual
predators) long enough to determine if the adults with them were actually their parents. Instead, Obama tended to just turn the kids over to sex
traffickers. You can look all this chit up.
None of this is relevant to the story at hand but anyone who pays attention to US-Mexican politics can not claim to be ignorant of Obama's 2014 border
crisis. In fact most of the Twitter and Instagram viral posts of "kids in cages" that purport to be Trump's kids in cages are actually Obama's kids in
cages.
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MrBillM
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No Need for U.S. Troops
Send in Rudy Giuliani. He's between assignments at the moment.
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Marc
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My first thought.
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pacificobob
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study up on how the mormons ended up settling in that area on land stolen from peasants by the governor of chihuahua, and how similar events led to
the revolution. polygamy was a small part of the story.
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chuckie
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Yes, you should....
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BajaNaranja
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| Quote: Originally posted by WhackAMolE |
The cages Trump put kids in were built by Obama and for exactly the same purpose. Obama had a humongous humanitarian crisis on the southern border
from 2014 onward and handled it just as badly as Trump did. It's hypocritical when anyone gets outraged at Trump putting kids in cages and separating
families. That's exactly what Obama did. In fact Obama did happen to put fewer kids in cages (to protect them from sexual predators) long enough to
determine if the adults with them were actually their parents. Instead, Obama tended to just turn the kids over to sex traffickers. You can look all
this chit up.
None of this is relevant to the story at hand but anyone who pays attention to US-Mexican politics can not claim to be ignorant of Obama's 2014 border
crisis. In fact most of the Twitter and Instagram viral posts of "kids in cages" that purport to be Trump's kids in cages are actually Obama's kids in
cages.
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Trying to spew disinformation and lies to normalize the orange cult leader's behavior is thankfully becoming less effective...
True the cages were from Obama's time.
Not true that Obama and Trump are the same, when it comes to family separation and other nonsense about "Obama tended to just turn the kids over to
sex traffickers." (You actually believe that?)
The thousands of children separated from their parents last year were separated entirely due to extreme Trump policies, and thanks to XXJasonXX Stephen Miller.
[Edited on 11-6-2019 by BajaNaranja]
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BajaTed
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As the Onion peels back; its been told that there are more than 12 polygamous groups residing in the Sonora region.
Utah has to be buzzing.
If I tried to join one, the blue eyed threat of my doing so would be my demise though. They don't share well.
Es Todo Bueno
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thebajarunner
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Interesting details on the tragedy
If we can limp away from the politics long enough to return to the subject.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/world/americas/mexico-mor...
Neither NBC nor CBS mentioned the name LeBaron on the news last night. I found that interesting.
As usual, the Mexican government will find a couple of "stooges" to arrest, parade around and then they will "disappear" and another case will be
solved....
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