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wessongroup
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Some may recall this
Mexico’s Vigilante Militias Rout the Knights Templar Drug Cartel
https://ctc.usma.edu/mexicos-vigilante-militias-rout-the-kni...
And they did a damn good job .. back 5-6 years ago
Good enough the Federal Government decided that the Army and/or the LE and/or the Judical System could keep things the way they were at THAT time ...
and then they turned in their GUNS ... The PEOPLE did 
See that some growers are still fighting with the "guys" in the clubs
With a government like this ... I feel sorry for the Mexican people ... once again
Add an article which is allowed under their Constitution a citizen has the right to keep and bear arms 
It might have some effect ... just saying
[Edited on 11-8-2019 by wessongroup]
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Of Course more guns would help...Look how well it has worked in the USA!
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Solutions to violence:
Matriarchy
Decrease testosterone levels
Take away the guns
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | The mormon polygamous cult members are outlaws. The cult moved to mexico because their illegal activities were not tolerated in usa.
The mormon cult communities in mexico are lawless patriarchies run by dictators, they are undemocratic dictatorships that abuse women.
I would not be surprised if they were competing with cartels over some illegal economic activity.
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I agree with you on this one.
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If these unfortunate women and kids had brown skin, media reaction would differ greatly.
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I think it mattered that they are still American citizens, and not skin color.
How to know it was citizenship over skin color in media reporting before is when there are "Americans" killed in Mexico (by police or drug people),
reported on the news (to make Mexico seem like the most dangerous place on earth). You read more, and discover these were indeed American citizens but
with Spanish names dealing in drugs. Possibly with family members of a drug cartel? So, the brown skin has nothing to do with what is reported, but
the citizenship does.
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Got any examples of Cartel violence in the United States the same as this example which is being discussed ?
Or perhaps an equivalent incident in the United States like this one
El Chapo: Mexican police free drug lord's son as Culiacán battle erupts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50092641
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The gun nuts think guns = freedom.
That’s just stupidity.
Lots of countries have freedom without guns, without needless gun deaths.
Woke!
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No, a lot of the massacres in the US are far worse. How about Sandy Hook or Las Vegas or Thousand Oaks?
We don't need cartels for our mass shootings. Cartels can be handled by law enforcement, lone gunmen with high capacity magazines not so much.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
No, a lot of the massacres in the US are far worse. How about Sandy Hook or Las Vegas or Thousand Oaks?
We don't need cartels for our mass shootings. Cartels can be handled by law enforcement, lone gunmen with high capacity magazines not so much.
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There is a a gun cartel, it is the USA gun mfg/sellers cartel, led by NRA and a few other NRA wanna-bes.
The gun cartel foments gun violence...
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
No, a lot of the massacres in the US are far worse. How about Sandy Hook or Las Vegas or Thousand Oaks?
We don't need cartels for our mass shootings. Cartels can be handled by law enforcement, lone gunmen with high capacity magazines not so much.
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There is a a gun cartel, it is the USA gun mfg/sellers cartel, led by NRA and a few other NRA wanna-bes.
The gun cartel foments gun violence...
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And don't forget those nasty rock slings...Goliath never saw that coming.
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Used to see the hanging bodies when coming up to cross the border back in 2009-2011
As for mass killings ... Mexico is no slouch IMO .. and the civilians DON'T have guns
Nuevo León mass graves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuevo_León_mass_graves
Here a list of mass murders in Mexico .... see if one can find the same numbers within the history of the United States that get even close
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Mexico
One may wish to compare the Mexican list, to the mass murders list in the United States
Of note mass murder's in Mexico are tracked all the way back to 1835 .. the United States starts tracking in 1920
And for the illegal shipments to Mexico of guns purchased in the United States ... so what ... How much: Fentyenal, Heroin, Meth, and Coke/crack is
coming across our borders to the south and creating a public health issue in the USA that is spiraling out of control
Check the numbers from the CDC ... "More than 399,000 people died from overdoses involving any opioid, including prescription and illicit opioids from
1999-2017.6"
That works out to around 40,000 dead per year here in the United States ... much worst than mass shootings numbers significantly IMO and that is just
from usage ... not involved with storage, transportation, distribution and sales at the bottom end of "drug" usage
https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/analysis.html
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | I think it mattered that they are still American citizens, and not skin color.
How to know it was citizenship over skin color in media reporting before is when there are "Americans" killed in Mexico (by police or drug people),
reported on the news (to make Mexico seem like the most dangerous place on earth). You read more, and discover these were indeed American citizens but
with Spanish names dealing in drugs. Possibly with family members of a drug cartel? So, the brown skin has nothing to do with what is reported, but
the citizenship does. |
David, if you are trying to make a point, it is always best to start with facts, and educating yourself on the background.
First they had dual citizenship,
second, although they are identified in media reports as being "mormon" in fact they are a fundamentalist group that broke away from the LDS church
in the 1800s when the "mormons" (who have asked not to be called that anymore) walked away from polygamy in essence as a trade for statehood. This
group set up a compound in mexico in the 1920's. This particular group calls themselves "the Church of the Firstborn".
This group broke away went to Mexico and set up their community (similar to the Colorado city group on the Utah / Az border, or the FDLS group lead
by Jeffs (i'm not saying each group has the same beliefs / behaviors, I'm simply tracing their origin in history).
and do you have ANY source that even suggests this group is involved in the drug trade, or in bed with the cartels? because everything I see says
exactly the opposite, that they are essentially locked in a death struggle with them.
Take a few minutes and look at this on site report from the Vice, it might help educate you, and illuminate your understanding of the situation, and
the history!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc
educations is your friend! it's not scary, it's not hard!
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Most of what you said is wrong , caj...
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Please educate me, and provide references please, what did I say that is wrong - specifically?
If I am lacking in the facts, I want to know, and be provided the actual facts
thankyou
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At least while you guys are arguing you could get your facts straight.
"To keep and bear arms was first recognized as a constitutional right through Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution of 1857: ... Article 10 of the
1857 Constitution gave citizens the right to keep and bear arms, both in their homes and in public for their security and defense."
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Please....don't complicate this discussion with facts.....
you know: "accurate information"
Don't believe everything you think....
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What GED said...
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Oh no - you too Chuckie?
You flat out stated I was wrong on my facts, I have politely asked for you to let me know where I was wrong - because I certainly don't want to be
posting false info.
If I'm wrong - please let me know, what info I posted is wrong, and a source for the correct info, please.
Not that hard, right? and a great learning opportunity for myself and maybe some others here!
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | At least while you guys are arguing you could get your facts straight.
"To keep and bear arms was first recognized as a constitutional right through Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution of 1857: ... Article 10 of the
1857 Constitution gave citizens the right to keep and bear arms, both in their homes and in public for their security and defense."
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This Article has seen many changes over the decades.
The Federal Government "defines"and enforces the: who, what where, when and why, at this time
"Reform to Article 10 in 1971[edit]
Fifty-four years later, Article 10 was reformed to its actual text in force today:
(original text) Artículo 10: Los habitantes de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos tienen derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio, para seguridad y legítima
defensa, con excepción de las prohibidas por la ley federal y de las reservadas para el uso exclusivo del Ejército, Armada, Fuerza Aérea y Guardia
Nacional. La ley federal determinará los casos, condiciones, requisitos y lugares en que se podrá autorizar a los habitantes la portación de
armas.[21]
(translation) Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have the right to keep arms in their homes, for security and legitimate
defense, with the exception of those prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National
Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.
Reformed Article 10 limited citizens' constitutional right to keeping arms in their homes only. Additionally, carrying firearms outside the home (in
public) was no longer a right but a privilege federal law would regulate and authorize on a case-by-case basis. With this reform came the Federal Law
of Firearms and Explosives which limited civilians' legal access to a few small-caliber guns while reserving most types and calibers to the government
(i.e., police and military)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Mexico#...
Even with restrictive gun laws ... Some just don't play by laws and regulations ... It is a fact
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