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There are currently Tesla chargers down the peninsula, many are 18kWh:
- Tijuana and Ensenada
- Marina San Felipe Resort
- Mision Santa Maria
- Mision Cataviña
- Hotel Terrasal Guerrero Negro
- Hotel La Huerta San Ignacio
- Hotel Cuesta Real Mulege
- Hotel Plaza Loreto
- Villa del Palmar at The Islands of Loreto
- Hotel Doce Ballenas Ciudad Insurgentes
- María de Nadie Hotel Boutique Cd Constitución
- La Paz
- Los Cabos
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke  |
Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying
public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical
grid support.
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Why more r and d?
Everybody knows batteries have limits. Just plan your trips.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying
public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical
grid support.
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Why more r and d?
Everybody knows batteries have limits. Just plan your trips. |
Suspension lift, larger tires than those donuts to provide actual clearance will be necessary for actual, needed utility. The stance resembles on of
the many car-based SUVs crowding the current market. Do your research and you will see what I am talking about.
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caj13
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Rivian
14 inches of ground clearance, individual motors on each wheel, thrust vectoring. I'm betting completely stock it's going to embarrass a bunch of
lifted and aftermarket blinged out Toyotas, and f-150s.
do your research, and you will see what i'm talking about!
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Glidergeek
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I wonder if there is an option to make it look like a real truck?
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mtgoat666
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You old men/conservatives need to open up your mind to change. Pickup styling has not changed in 60 years, good to see designers thinking outside of
the box.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying
public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical
grid support.
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Why more r and d?
Everybody knows batteries have limits. Just plan your trips. |
Suspension lift, larger tires than those donuts to provide actual clearance will be necessary for actual, needed utility. The stance resembles on of
the many car-based SUVs crowding the current market. Do your research and you will see what I am talking about. |
“Actual needed utility”
Not many “need” or want to rock crawl their full size pick ups. I have found stock 4wd full size more than adequate for most uses, work trucks,
hauling, unpaved roads, mild off roading, camping trips, etc.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Glidergeek
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You old men/conservatives need to open up your mind to change. Pickup styling has not changed in 60 years, good to see designers thinking outside of
the box.
Look in the mirror old man.
That doesn't even look pleasant. And the windows suck LOL.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Glidergeek]
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Lee
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Impressive pre-order numbers if you believe what's printed. I don't.
Musk is a visionary ahead of his time. He's a kook too.
Call this a pickup but I won't. Could be a Baja vehicle but who's going to work on it if there's a problem? The driver might need to be a
electrical engineer to understand what's under the hood.
Pickup trucks like Toy, Ford, Chevy, GMC all look cool, to me. This is down right ugly. Buyers will most likely want a driveway Queen. Like
Hummers/Humvees. Nope.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | Rivian
14 inches of ground clearance, individual motors on each wheel, thrust vectoring. I'm betting completely stock it's going to embarrass a bunch of
lifted and aftermarket blinged out Toyotas, and f-150s.
do your research, and you will see what i'm talking about! |
14 inches (in off-road mode) - 136" wheelbase and it looks like a Ford Flex. I'm hardly impressed with its paper credentials. When fording water,
the water crossing is not necessarily flat beneath the water surface. Never mind, this vehicle isn't intended for the off-road crowd.
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Don Pisto
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | Rivian
14 inches of ground clearance, individual motors on each wheel, thrust vectoring. I'm betting completely stock it's going to embarrass a bunch of
lifted and aftermarket blinged out Toyotas, and f-150s.
do your research, and you will see what i'm talking about! |
14 inches (in off-road mode) - 136" wheelbase and it looks like a Ford Flex. I'm hardly impressed with its paper credentials. When fording water,
the water crossing is not necessarily flat beneath the water surface. Never mind, this vehicle isn't intended for the off-road crowd.
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im taking a wait and see approach.....
https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-electric-pi...
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Ken Cooke
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Destined for dry, fire roads & improved beach campos
Rivian R1T
Wheelbase = 135.8"
Track = 67.3"
Breakover angle = 25 deg.
Length = 217.1"
Width = 78"
source: https://rivian.com/r1t/
Wrangler JLUnlimited
Length = 184.2"
Width = 73.7"
Wheelbase = 118.4"
The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The
proof is right there in the numbers.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke]
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BajaBill74
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Don, thanks for the Motortrend article.
What I'm doing at work is so secret, even I don't know what I'm doing!
One should believe in God, because even Google doesn't know everything.
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LancairDriver
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The more I look at the Tesla Pickup the more it reminds me of the lines on the home made plywood campers you see on beater pickups. After seeing the
attractive styling of their cars it is hard to believe they would come up with a design like that. Maybe need to hire a few Italian designers.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Rivian R1T
Wheelbase = 135.8"
Track = 67.3"
Breakover angle = 25 deg.
Length = 217.1"
Width = 78"
source: https://rivian.com/r1t/
Wrangler JLUnlimited
Length = 184.2"
Width = 73.7"
Wheelbase = 118.4"
The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The
proof is right there in the numbers.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] |
Of course the jeep has a short wheel base, it is a chicks car.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | The more I look at the Tesla Pickup the more it reminds me of the lines on the home made plywood campers you see on beater pickups. After seeing the
attractive styling of their cars it is hard to believe they would come up with a design like that. Maybe need to hire a few Italian designers.
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The design is not meant to appeal to old people. Plenty of other tesla models already avail for you Gray hairs to buy
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Rivian R1T
Wheelbase = 135.8"
Track = 67.3"
Breakover angle = 25 deg.
Length = 217.1"
Width = 78"
source: https://rivian.com/r1t/
Wrangler JLUnlimited
Length = 184.2"
Width = 73.7"
Wheelbase = 118.4"
The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The
proof is right there in the numbers.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] |
see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks.
Lets compare apples to apples OK?
Jeep Gladiator
length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer!
Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes!
wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer
Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right?
towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken)
You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK?
As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! "
right Ken?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Rivian R1T
Wheelbase = 135.8"
Track = 67.3"
Breakover angle = 25 deg.
Length = 217.1"
Width = 78"
source: https://rivian.com/r1t/
Wrangler JLUnlimited
Length = 184.2"
Width = 73.7"
Wheelbase = 118.4"
The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The
proof is right there in the numbers.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] |
see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks.
Lets compare apples to apples OK?
Jeep Gladiator
length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer!
Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes!
wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer
Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right?
towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken)
You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK?
As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! "
right Ken? |
Jeep gladiator is like miata, not made for tall people, made for short people market - No leg room, Chicks car.
And gladiator is not a pickup. Is a mid-size suv missing roof and hatchback from cargo area.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Rivian R1T
Wheelbase = 135.8"
Track = 67.3"
Breakover angle = 25 deg.
Length = 217.1"
Width = 78"
source: https://rivian.com/r1t/
Wrangler JLUnlimited
Length = 184.2"
Width = 73.7"
Wheelbase = 118.4"
The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The
proof is right there in the numbers.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] |
see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks.
Lets compare apples to apples OK?
Jeep Gladiator
length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer!
Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes!
wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer
Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right?
towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken)
You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK?
As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! "
right Ken? |
Jeep gladiator is like miata, not made for tall people, made for short people market - No leg room, Chicks car.
And gladiator is not a pickup. Is a mid-size suv missing roof and hatchback from cargo area. |
My 6'4" friend wanted to sit in the driver's seat, and he couldn't believe the leg room vs. the TJ he recently sold. The Tacoma is much more cramped
with the angled windshield not far from your face.
As for being a, "Chicks car" my wife wanted me to purchase a 4 door Unlimited Rubicon. I wanted a 2500 Ram Power Wagon. The Gladiator is a
combination of the two - essentially as an Unlimited Rubicon to the back seats and a Ram 1500 from the 5' box to the bumper.
I have nothing against the Rivian - if I needed a more urban commuter, I would choose a Rivian (minus the $70,000.00 price tag). The Gladiator has
better lines, the roof comes off, the doors can also be removed. It doesn't resemble the hideous Ford Flex. Although it has gobs of torque on-tap,
the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. The front swaybar cannot be
disconnected electronically. There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, nor would the aftermarket likely
develop the modifications to for it do so.
I'll stick with the "Chick's car!" 
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke |
Rivian R1T
Wheelbase = 135.8"
Track = 67.3"
Breakover angle = 25 deg.
Length = 217.1"
Width = 78"
source: https://rivian.com/r1t/
Wrangler JLUnlimited
Length = 184.2"
Width = 73.7"
Wheelbase = 118.4"
The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The
proof is right there in the numbers.
[Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] |
see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks.
Lets compare apples to apples OK?
Jeep Gladiator
length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer!
Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes!
wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer
Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right?
towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken)
You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK?
As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! "
right Ken? |
With easily sourced modifications that the user can install himself/herself, the Gladiator beats the Rivian hands-down. Here are a few examples of
what can be accomplished to change that Gladiator breakover angle, approach and departure angles.
My Gladiator will be running 38's and a 4.5" Off Road Evolution suspension lift. Here is the Skyjacker suspension - it runs 1" to 1.5" lower in the
front than does the EVO suspension.
Powering that Dometic or ARB fridge might become an issue. Don't forget that..
Off Road Cam come standard with the Rivian??
Off-road app pages included? Probably not..
I love my Gladiator so much, my friend Mike even bought a Gladiator Rubicon! Love that open air drive!
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