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unbob
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INAPAM card – question regarding application requirements
Since I'm well past the minimum age to qualify for the INAPAM card (Institute National de Las Personas Adultos Mayores), I'd like to get one asap.
The problem is I have no way of proving residency. Yes, I have my Residente Permanente card but no telephone, water or electric bill showing my
address. We rent a casita and the casita owner pays all those bills. Hence, no utility bills in my name.
Has anyone here encountered this same problem? Is there a "workaround" solution?
Seems terribly unfair to disqualify permanent residents from obtaining the INAPAM card simply because they rent instead of own their residence.
"I'm too young to be this old!"
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paranewbi
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Quote: Originally posted by lencho  | | Quote: Originally posted by unbob |
Seems terribly unfair to disqualify permanent residents from obtaining the INAPAM card simply because they rent instead of own their residence.
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Personally, it seems terribly unfair that uninvested foreigners-- who have historically contributed little to the society and who likely receive
income hugely superior to the older native Mexicans for whom these subsidies were designed-- should even qualify for these discounts.
Speaks well of the society and poorly of those who-- in my opinion-- abuse its generosity .  |
And there you go unbob... a concise simple answer to your question. Now was that so hard?
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Get one or two of the bills for your rental, even if they are not in your name, and take them with your rental agreement and resident card. They
should give it to you on the spot!!!
" Don't find fault, find a remedy; anyone can complain." Henry Ford
If you are not living on the edge...you are taking up to much space!
Just because it may not be a good idea does not mean it will not be fun!!!
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unbob
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by unbob |
Seems terribly unfair to disqualify permanent residents from obtaining the INAPAM card simply because they rent instead of own their residence.
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Personally, it seems terribly unfair that uninvested foreigners-- who have historically contributed little to the society and who likely receive
income hugely superior to the older native Mexicans for whom these subsidies were designed-- should even qualify for these discounts.
Speaks well of the society and poorly of those who-- in my opinion-- abuse its generosity . |
Sorry amigo but I disagree. I have "invested" tens of thousands of usd these past 16 years in
the Baja economy. Unlike some I'm a law-abiding resident and respect the country, people and culture of Mexico. True, my income is "superior" to most
older Mexicans. If that's my "fault" I plead guilty. If you have a problem with my taking advantage of the INAPAM program I suggest you complain to
the administrators and demand they stop offering their senior discount card to greedy "uninvested foreigners".
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unbob
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sandlefoot | | Get one or two of the bills for your rental, even if they are not in your name, and take them with your rental agreement and resident card. They
should give it to you on the spot!!! |
Gracias for your reply. There is no rental agreement - nothing in
writing. My landlord is a wonderful Mexican man who I totally trust and respect. Apparently he trusts me as well - I was never asked to sign anything
and he accepts my word that I will continue to pay the monthly rent. So far, it's been a rewarding and enjoyable experience. Another reason I love
Mexico and it's people!
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Do you live in Mexico full time? If no then why do you think you should qualify? Spending x amount of dollars does not qualify.
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unbob
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| Quote: Originally posted by chippy | | Do you live in Mexico full time? If no then why do you think you should qualify? Spending x amount of dollars does not qualify.
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Irrelevant questions. Living full-time in Mexico and spending x amount of dollars are not requirements to
qualify for INAPAM card.
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chippy
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Not irrelevant at all. Tourists should not qualify.
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| Quote: Originally posted by unbob | Since I'm well past the minimum age to qualify for the INAPAM card (Institute National de Las Personas Adultos
Has anyone here encountered this same problem? Is there a "workaround" solution?
Seems terribly unfair to disqualify permanent residents from obtaining the INAPAM card simply because they rent instead of own their residence.
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seems like the workaround solution is to explain the situation to the administrator. Have you gone into the INAPAM office and tried to get a card? I
am sure there are lots of elderly Mexicans without bills in their name, so you are not the first undocumented senior they have dealt with at INAPAM...
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Unbob, it may seem odd, but the bills do not need to be in your name, nor of your exact address, they simply need to be current. Get an original and a
copy from anyone, they can also be downloaded from the internet if you know the account numbers, oftentimes. It simply is a reference that you are
somebody who is current. The owner may not want to give up the bills to you, or they may not mind, you just need someone's bill. Many Mexicans never
pit the bills in their own name, they leave in the previous owners name or some other reference.
You have gone to the Hacienda to declare your domicilo as part of the Residency and have a RFC Persona Fisica and CURP number, you can go there in
person and ask for a recent "copy" of the declaration of residency direction of domicile, RFC and CURP or you can on line to print a copy or you may
have a recent copy in your records, so bring all of that, the PR card and copy, evidencia de domicilio and copy, a cobrabante and copy that is
current, Passport and copy and ask what else they want? Support for Seniors is not limited to any Nomads opinions, it something that every senior
living here legally as a legal resident can receive as a symbol of the community support for all seniors regardless of your personal story. You are so
old!
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I agree with Lencho...Invested means more than tourist dollars. Have you worked and paid into the hacienda?
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I have been qualified for that card for a long time. But what keeps me from doing it is because in many cases, like bus rides or plane tickets or
ferry tickets, the number of discounted seats are limited. At least this is what I am told.
And if they are limited, I would just as soon they go to people who are in more need of the discount.
Truth be told, I might actually qualify for being "upper middle class" in the US (whatever that definition might be). Down here, I would probably
qualify as "rich" (again, depending on the definition).
I am not a hard-core socialist. But I refuse to be blind to the inequities of capitalism, through no fault of the victims left behind. And this
country is full of them. I won't add to their woes. The money I might save isn't worth the potential loss to them.
But I understand that there are foreign retirees in Mexico that are just scraping by. I wont judge them for getting a card. Just a personal choice.
[Edited on 1-26-2020 by Hook]
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INAPAM benefits are meager. Gringos retiring in Baja are not usually in the lowest income tier, otherwise they would've lived somewhere in Michoacan
or on the highlands of Guadalajara and CDMX where rent is cheaper. There are of course exceptions, ex. health conditions won't let you stay at high
elevations so you have to tighten your already tight belt and stay in Baja, but those are few and far in between.
[Edited on 1-26-2020 by Alm]
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unbob
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | I have been qualified for that card for a long time. But what keeps me from doing it is because in many cases, like bus rides or plane tickets or
ferry tickets, the number of discounted seats are limited. At least this is what I am told.
And if they are limited, I would just as soon they go to people who are in more need of the discount.
Truth be told, I might actually qualify for being "upper middle class" in the US (whatever that definition might be). Down here, I would probably
qualify as "rich" (again, depending on the definition).
I am not a hard-core socialist. But I refuse to be blind to the inequities of capitalism, through no fault of the victims left behind. And this
country is full of them. I won't add to their woes. The money I might save isn't worth the potential loss to them.
But I understand that there are foreign retirees in Mexico that are just scraping by. I wont judge them for getting a card. Just a personal choice.
[Edited on 1-26-2020 by Hook] |
Hook, thank you for that sensible post. I can't disagree with anything you
said. However, I would still like to carry the INAPAM card in my pocket. No intention to obtain a discount on every single transaction but would
probably use it on large purchases.
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unbob
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Unbob, it may seem odd, but the bills do not need to be in your name, nor of your exact address, they simply need to be current. Get an original and a
copy from anyone, they can also be downloaded from the internet if you know the account numbers, oftentimes. It simply is a reference that you are
somebody who is current. The owner may not want to give up the bills to you, or they may not mind, you just need someone's bill. Many Mexicans never
pit the bills in their own name, they leave in the previous owners name or some other reference.
You have gone to the Hacienda to declare your domicilo as part of the Residency and have a RFC Persona Fisica and CURP number, you can go there in
person and ask for a recent "copy" of the declaration of residency direction of domicile, RFC and CURP or you can on line to print a copy or you may
have a recent copy in your records, so bring all of that, the PR card and copy, evidencia de domicilio and copy, a cobrabante and copy that is
current, Passport and copy and ask what else they want? Support for Seniors is not limited to any Nomads opinions, it something that every senior
living here legally as a legal resident can receive as a symbol of the community support for all seniors regardless of your personal story. You are so
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Thanks for that very useful information. Very much appreciated!
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Like I wrote in earlier post - very few of them are in Baja.
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So many ways to look at this issue. If you do use the discount for the bus, like I do as a Mexican citizen, you then have more cash available to
help others who aren't old enough to have INAPAM.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | | So many ways to look at this issue. If you do use the discount for the bus, like I do as a Mexican citizen, you then have more cash available to
help others who aren't old enough to have INAPAM. |
You paid your taxes for many years and earned the right...unlike some of the other mooches.
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I do see it very differently than most because if you are here as a tourist, you are helping out the ma's and pa's that are running the taco stand,
the ones that are running the veggie n fruit stand where you might buy oranges or the guys and sometimes gals at the gas stations. The more you have
in your pocket, the more you spend, the better off all around!
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What are you talking about? Tourists don't qualify. You have to be a resident.
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