| Pages:
1
2
3
4 |
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  | If the whole nonsensical argument got settled once and for all, it is or is not a visa... would a mariposa flapping its wings in the middle of Montana
have any effect on the weather pattern of the western US?
Just about as relevant and would make almost the same amount of sense arguing about it. |
Well, what is it?
|
|
|
Bajazly
Senior Nomad
Posts: 992
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Goodbye Cali and Hello San Felipe
Member Is Offline
Mood: More Relaxed Everyday
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly | If the whole nonsensical argument got settled once and for all, it is or is not a visa... would a mariposa flapping its wings in the middle of Montana
have any effect on the weather pattern of the western US?
Just about as relevant and would make almost the same amount of sense arguing about it. |
Well, what is it?
|
It just doesn't matter and who cares?
You guys are hilarious with this but I guess now that Hwy 5 is complete the energy needs to be expended somewhere.
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
Harald Pietschmann
"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
Bajazly, August 2019
|
|
|
surabi
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3095
Registered: 5-6-2016
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Read what I wrote above about Australia. You ppl are a) either just arguing to argue or b) have no idea what a visa is and the different variations
of them (even within the same country).
Just like other countries, MX has tourist visas and residency visa's. FMM is a tourist visa. I have had a TR visa before. And yes, it is a
different type and purpose of visa from the FMM. We all know that, so you are stating the obvious.
You have wrapped you head so tightly around MX not explicitly stating it is a Visa, that you can't bring yourself to look at it from a common-sense
vantage point: an FMM is the exact same thing that everyone in the world calls a Tourist Travel Visa. Think about that argument you are trying to
make, and why?
[Edited on 2-28-2020 by JZ] |
Why do you keep insisting that you are right, when you are wrong?
An FMM is an immigration document. One of the Ms stands for Multiple. Meaning the document has multiple uses. FMM is not synonymous with
tourist visa, that is only one of the uses of the FMM. If you are a tourist, the bottom half is given back to you and serves as your tourist
visa.
If you are a resident, the FMM is not a visa in any way. In that case, it is used purely for statistical purposes.
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17302
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
To 99.9% of people that visit Mexico, the FMM is a tourist visa.
People that argue the FMM is not a visa are fools.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
FMM is not a tourist visa.
Mexican tourist/business visas are issued by Mexican consulates for those who must get a visa. There are quite a few countries on the list - all
Africa, all Middle East except for Israel and (I think) Saudis, nearly all Asia and a few places in Central and South America. The process is rather
involved. You must go to consulate, provide supporting documents as to the purpose of the trip, and pass the interview.
Mexican visa is usually a sticker, not a loose form. Different document, different process.
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | FMM is not a tourist visa.
Mexican tourist/business visas are issued by Mexican consulates for those who must get a visa. There are quite a few countries on the list - all
Africa, all Middle East except for Israel and (I think) Saudis, nearly all Asia and a few places in Central and South America. The process is rather
involved. You must go to consulate, provide supporting documents as to the purpose of the trip, and pass the interview.
Mexican visa is usually a sticker, not a loose form. Different document, different process. |
Read the entire thread. Mexico has different types of Visas - as do all countries.
You are making a similarly flawed argument to that guy who tried to tell us that MX's tourist visa is not a visa because it has a different use and
you get it a different way than a residency visa.
Yes, MX has a different procedure of issuing tourist visas depending on what country you are coming from. But because it is easier to get for certain
ppl (US, Canadians, etc.) doesn't change what it does and what it is.
[Edited on 2-29-2020 by JZ]
|
|
|
surabi
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3095
Registered: 5-6-2016
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
You are making a similarly flawed argument to that guy who tried to tell us that MX's tourist visa is not a visa because it has a different use and
you get it a different way than a residency visa.
[Edited on 2-29-2020 by JZ] |
JZ, you have a serious reading comprehension problem. I never said a Mexican tourist visa isn't a visa, never. I said the FMM form is not synonymous
with visa- that it has multiple uses and tourist visa is only one of the uses. Are you really that dense or stubborn that you can't understand that?
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
JZ, you have a serious reading comprehension problem. I never said a Mexican tourist visa isn't a visa, never. I said the FMM form is not synonymous
with visa- that it has multiple uses and tourist visa is only one of the uses. Are you really that dense or stubborn that you can't understand that?
|
Ok, I stand corrected on that.
[Edited on 3-1-2020 by JZ]
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Yes, MX has a different procedure of issuing tourist visas depending on what country you are coming from. But because it is easier to get for certain
ppl (US, Canadians, etc.) doesn't change what it does and what it is.
[Edited on 2-29-2020 by JZ] |
Not just a different procedure but a different document. It even looks differently.
It's not easier to get a tourist visa for certain ppl - they are exempt from visa. This is the official view stated on the consulate website -
Canadian or US nationals "do not require a visa", plain and simple.
[Edited on 3-1-2020 by Alm]
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Yes, MX has a different procedure of issuing tourist visas depending on what country you are coming from. But because it is easier to get for certain
ppl (US, Canadians, etc.) doesn't change what it does and what it is.
[Edited on 2-29-2020 by JZ] |
Not just a different procedure but a different document. It even looks differently.
It's not easier to get a tourist visa for certain ppl - they are exempt from visa. This is the official view stated on the consulate website -
Canadian or US nationals "do not require a visa", plain and simple.
[Edited on 3-1-2020 by Alm] |
Jfc, yes they look different. As does a residency visa. By this twisted logic a residency visa isn't a visa because it doesn't look like the
tourist visa ppl from Africa use to visit MX.
As far as a tourist is concerned, an FMM acts as a visa. You have to have a very low IQ to not think it is. Or maybe I'm just being trolled.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by JZ]
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Jfc, yes they look different. As does a residency visa. By this twisted logic a residency visa isn't a visa because it doesn't look like the
tourist visa ppl from Africa use to visit MX.
FMM is a visa. You have to have a very low IQ to not think it is. Or maybe I'm just being trolled.
[Edited on 3-1-2020 by JZ] |
You are accusing others of what you are doing, i.e. trolling. Resident visa is not relevant to discussion.
We are/were talking about tourist visas - which FMM is not. It may be "used" instead of a visa for those who don't need a visa. You're either having
difficulty understanding this or not willing to admit the obvious. Whichever it is - not my problem, and neither is your level of IQ.
[Edited on 3-1-2020 by Alm]
|
|
|
surabi
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3095
Registered: 5-6-2016
Member Is Offline
|
|
I'll make a really simple analogy for those of you who still don't get it.
Ground beef is used to make spaghetti sauce. That doesn't mean that ground beef IS spaghetti sauce. Ground beef is used for other things besides
spaghetti sauce.
An FMM is used as a tourist visa (call it a visa, tourist card, whatever) if you are a tourist. That doesn't mean an FMM IS a tourist visa. An FMM is
used for other things besides a tourist visa.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by surabi]
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | I'll make a really simple analogy for those of you who still don't get it.
Ground beef is used to make spaghetti sauce. That doesn't mean that ground beef IS spaghetti sauce. Ground beef is used for other things besides
spaghetti sauce.
An FMM is used as a tourist visa (call it a visa, tourist card, whatever) if you are a tourist. That doesn't mean an FMM IS a tourist visa. An FMM is
used for other things besides a tourist visa.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by surabi] |
It is retarded that they made someone with a TR visa fill out an FMM. I Googled it and you are correct. Is this something new? I had a TR visa
about 14 years ago. I don't remember filling out the FMM when I held the TR visa.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by JZ]
|
|
|
surabi
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3095
Registered: 5-6-2016
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
It is retarded that they made someone with a TR visa fill out an FMM. I Googled it and you are correct. Is this something new? I had a TR visa
about 10 years ago. I don't remember filling out the FMM when I held the TR visa.
|
No, it's not something new. I had a TR visa since 2004 and have held a PR visa for 5 years. We've always had to fill those out.
I don't understand what you mean by "it's retarded". It's an immigration form. That's what I've been trying to explain here, that a lot of people
simply refuse to comprehend. INM uses them for statistical purposes, so they know how many foreigners- tourists, TRs, PRs, are entering and leaving
Mexico. If one is a tourist, the bottom half serves as a tourist card with a stated date of exit. I have no idea what the govt. does with the
information in general that is collected from those forms, but I'm sure that other countries all have some form of the same information collection.,
Maybe you should tell the US, Canada, and every other country that keeping count of how many foreigners with residency and tourists are crossing in
and out of their borders is retarded.
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
No, it's not something new. I had a TR visa since 2004 and have held a PR visa for 5 years. We've always had to fill those out.
I don't understand what you mean by "it's retarded". It's an immigration form. That's what I've been trying to explain here, that a lot of people
simply refuse to comprehend. INM uses them for statistical purposes, so they know how many foreigners- tourists, TRs, PRs, are entering and leaving
Mexico. If one is a tourist, the bottom half serves as a tourist card with a stated date of exit. I have no idea what the govt. does with the
information in general that is collected from those forms, but I'm sure that other countries all have some form of the same information collection.,
Maybe you should tell the US, Canada, and every other country that keeping count of how many foreigners with residency and tourists are crossing in
and out of their borders is retarded.
|
I'm not debating the idea of keeping statistics of travel. They should be able to track you from scanning your TR visa. Not make you fill out
another document. That was my point.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by JZ]
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
For those who still don't get it, before they embarrass themselves any further:
https://www.inm.gob.mx/gobmx/word/index.php/paises-no-requie...
Translation is embedded between the *** lines:
*****************
Nationals of the following countries or regions do not require a visa to travel to Mexico and apply for entry as a Visitor without
permission to perform lucrative activities.
In the migration check point, you must present:
1) Passport or valid ID and travel document that is valid under international law.
2) Properly filled FMM.
3) The immigration authority may ask the foreign person to confirm the purpose of his/her trip, using one of the following documents:
a) Hotel reservation....
******************etc, etc.
Whatever FMM is, it is not a tourist visa as per Mexican government.
Yes, you must fill FMM if you are RT, they've been doing this for years. Seems to happen more often when you fly.
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | For those who still don't get it, before they embarrass themselves any further:
https://www.inm.gob.mx/gobmx/word/index.php/paises-no-requie...
Translation is embedded between the *** lines:
*****************
Nationals of the following countries or regions do not require a visa to travel to Mexico and apply for entry as a Visitor without
permission to perform lucrative activities.
In the migration check point, you must present:
1) Passport or valid ID and travel document that is valid under international law.
2) Properly filled FMM.
3) The immigration authority may ask the foreign person to confirm the purpose of his/her trip, using one of the following documents:
a) Hotel reservation....
******************etc, etc.
Whatever FMM is, it is not a tourist visa as per Mexican government.
Yes, you must fill FMM if you are RT, they've been doing this for years. Seems to happen more often when you fly. |
It was stated 2 pages back that MX doesn't call an FMM a Visa. You aren't posting anything new.
Guess what, it has all the functions of a Visa and more. If Mexico tells you a Cow is a FMM you'd argue that it isn't a Cow, it's an FMM, wouldn't
you? That is exactly what you are doing here.
What they are telling you on that page is that if you aren't coming from Saudi, etc, you don't need a "special" visa.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by JZ]
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17302
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | For those who still don't get it, before they embarrass themselves any further:...
Whatever FMM is, it is not a tourist visa as per Mexican government.
. |
But this conversation is being carried out in English. In English, “visa” is the common word for travel authorization, whether it is stamped in
your passport or a separate piece of paper 
The fmm is a visa to most people speaking English.
Btw, when I travel with friends or family to Mexico, we call it “visa” or “tourist card.”
Some of you seem to have a problem with the word “visa,” how about “tourist card?” That get your panties in a bunch too?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
If "weed" is a common word for marijuana it doesn't mean that what growth along the highways is also marijuana.
Websites of Mexican consulates in the US are written in English, you may read it where it says about tourist visa requirements.
US tourists need a document making their stay legal and they are issued (lower portion of) FMM. They are not issued visa, they are exempt. It's a
consular term with specific meaning regardless of how many people are using it. A tourist doesn't need to understand what is what, as long as he's got
a proper document.
[Edited on 3-2-2020 by Alm]
|
|
|
JZ
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9236
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Online
|
|
This thread has definitely weeded out the class clown.
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3
4 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
