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Hook
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Americans living in Mexico; are you packing up to leave?
What is your thinking, at this point, with the new border restrictions? Are you packing up? "Shuddering" in place?
Quite honestly, the border restrictions really dont affect us, in terms of being able to return to the US. The first identified definition of
essential travel on the recently published DHS publication is Americans returning to the country. Hopefully, you will find it attached below.
Lots to consider here. Especially if you would be returning to a state that is in total lockdown.
Your thoughts? Maybe include where you are in Mexico.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.g...
[Edited on 3-21-2020 by Hook]
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jedge42
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Quote: Originally posted by Hook  | What is your thinking, at this point, with the new border restrictions? Are you packing up? "Shuddering" in place?
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We are staying put in northern Los Cabos (8km south of Los Barriles). We are hoping to break ground on our house next week, which may be
spectacularly bad timing, of course ...
keeping our distance from other humans and hoping for the best ...
jake
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RocketJSquirrel
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I think I am safer here. Besides, I LIVE here.
Edit to correct spelling
[Edited on 3-21-2020 by RocketJSquirrel]
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AKgringo
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I crossed northbound on March 6th, with the intention of returning to La Paz to complete some dental work in May or June. Given the developments over
the last couple of weeks, that trip is postponed, but I wish I had stayed down south until the work was completed!
There are so many unknowns, but based on what information is available at this time, La Paz may be safer than parts of California! Having said that,
if I was to be infected with the virus I would rather be home than far, far away traveling with a dog!
I have been in contact with my dentist, and have asked her to forward any local information that she may have access to through the medical community
there.
Edit; My dentist just replied that postponing my work is the right thing at this time, and she may be closing her office for a while after she
finishes the appointments she has now. There are no known cases where she is, or where I am now, but we both expect that to change!
[Edited on 3-21-2020 by AKgringo]
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Bajazly
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I'm with the Squirrel on both counts. Going back would be starting over, again.
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Alan
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Went to La Paz on Monday with plans to stay until mid-April. After State Department warning issued Thurs to return immediately or be prepared to stay
away indefinitely, I decided to return home right away and came home yesterday. I really think I was safer in Baja but at times like this I felt it
best to be with family. Additionally if I was to contract the virus I feel US healthcare is better able to meet my needs. At the very least I can
communicate better with them.
The other issue was the availability of airlines. Luckily to get home was a domestic flight for me LAP-TIJ but even then one never knows when or if
that would shut down. Many international flights have already be discontinued. I figured the sooner I got into the petri dish of an airline the
better as more and more people become carriers each day.
I also had the option of simply driving home at my leisure as my country has to let me in though I might have had to spend some time in quarantine.
Besides when the hoards start scavenging supplies through my neighborhood I didn't want my daughter having to shoot them all herself! 
In Memory of E-57
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If I were in Baja, and I am not, and if I were fairly confident that I had not been exposed to CV-19, I would stay put. Think risk of contracting the
virus with boarder closed would be significantly less than being in States, CA and WA in particular. Crossing boarder and traveling North to Canada
also would be at a higher risk too. If I were staying in Baja, I would exercise social distancing or self quarantine myself and family to decrease
risk of exposure to the virus. Doing this in Baja, would not mean the same as here in CA.
Now of course, the risk is, if you get the virus, where is the better place for medical care?
Just my thoughts for what they are worth.
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Hook
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajapedro | If I were in Baja, and I am not, and if I were fairly confident that I had not been exposed to CV-19, I would stay put. Think risk of contracting the
virus with boarder closed would be significantly less than being in States, CA and WA in particular. Crossing boarder and traveling North to Canada
also would be at a higher risk too. If I were staying in Baja, I would exercise social distancing or self quarantine myself and family to decrease
risk of exposure to the virus. Doing this in Baja, would not mean the same as here in CA.
Now of course, the risk is, if you get the virus, where is the better place for medical care?
Just my thoughts for what they are worth.
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We are doing what you are suggesting, with respect to social interaction. But we are still biking with others, hiking with others, ATVing and
kayaking. Pickleball is possibly done, even though it's easy to disinfect the ball and wear gloves.
But I suspect that no one in Mexico really knows how many cases there are down here. Could there really be very many test kits down here?
BTW, if the border wait times can be believed, both San Ysidro and Nogales in AZ are the emptiest I have ever seen them for this time of day,
especially it being a weekend.
I guess I never realized how many Mexicans were day tripping into the States and shopping. That appears to have stopped completely.
Oh yeah, all the Canadians cleared out last week. So, there's that, too.
I expected a big rush of Americans, after the announcement yesterday. Doesnt seem to be materializing.
[Edited on 3-21-2020 by Hook]
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AKgringo
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Hook, I do not live in Mexico at this time, but I replied to this post because the reason I scheduled dental work in the summer is so that I could
check out areas that I am considering for at least part time residency.
If I was already there, I would hold in place. but make sure that I could drive to the border without having to restock my food, cash, or gasoline!
I would not go through an airline terminal or sit in an airliner. Of all the 13 cases that have presented in Alaska, the patients were either recent
air travelers, or co-workers they infected since they returned.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Hook
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Yeah, we are a 4-5 hour drive to the border. So, we dont have to use any public transportation.
I cant imagine being on a full bus for hours. Possibly the worst scenario.
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AKgringo
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I was thinking more of an interruption of the supply chain, in addition to "social distancing".
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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pacificobob
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Staying put. And feeling just fine about the choice.
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mtnpop
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First time in many years did not make it to the winter home in Mulege. Couple weeks ago started planning for late April -June trip and maybe to Lapaz
for dental work. Looks like that just got kicked inna butt...
Would have been pretty quiet with all the Canucks and Americanos already gone...
Oh well maybe next fall. It's been hard holding our breath this long.
Now trying to find salad fixins but too many folks decided to get their 20 year supply last week so nothing left on the shelf...
gotta luv em.
Wash your hands and use your blinkers now.....
Common sense is a flower that doesn\'t grow in everyone\'s garden.....
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chippy
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I´m packing up my truck right now! To head to a nice isolated beach for the day. We are staying put.
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chuckie
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I think anyone who is in Baja who has rescources to subsist and can stay sort of isolated should stay there. Things in the Norte are going to continue
to degenerate. Too many cooks in the kitchen making decisions cant be enforced for very long. Health care system will likely collapse before long.
Cowboy up and stay put....
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AKgringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | Of all the 13 cases that have presented in Alaska, the patients were either recent air travelers, or co-workers they infected since they returned.
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You happen to know where those "recent air travelers" were arriving from (i.e. a hotspot)?
I read somewhere that the aircraft air filtration systems are pretty good, so there may not be as high a risk within the actual aircraft as insinuated
by the idea that if someone sneezes, it's going infect all the passengers via the air.
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If you want to visit the state information site, here is the link; http://www.dhss.alaska.gov/dph/Epi/id/Pages/COVID-19/default...
In short, 14 cases so far, 9 travel related (defined as outside Alaska) 5 local contact. Other news reports indicate that at least a few of the
infected travelers were from trips to the lower 48 states.
I would not be concerned about the air flow in an aircraft, but the close contact with hard surfaces, seats and facilities along the entire route from
departure to the destination. Not the least of my worries would be seated next to someone who is not displaying symptoms yet!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Hook
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24,100 total cases in the US, right now.
Only 171 have been declared fully recovered. 288 have died.
That's astounding! About 23,600 still dealing with it.
But, since they aren't letting anyone into the hospital unless they are having serious or critical symptoms, how are they able to determine who is
fully recovered from only mild symptoms?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Skipjack Joe
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Staying put in Mexico for now until the cases rise in Baja. After that I will be heading back to Oregon. Coming down with coronavirus at my age in
Mexico is a veritable death sentence. I live in a small village.
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Bajazly
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | 24,100 total cases in the US, right now.
Only 171 have been declared fully recovered. 288 have died.
That's astounding! About 23,600 still dealing with it.
But, since they aren't letting anyone into the hospital unless they are having serious or critical symptoms, how are they able to determine who is
fully recovered from only mild symptoms?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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That and the recovered and in critical condition numbers seem to stay the same for days while all the other numbers go crazy.
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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Bajazly, August 2019
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bajarich
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It's a small world. I crossed over about two weeks ago after my wife requested I come home. I was isolated on a small beach and there is a small
cafe about 6 miles away that I could ride my ebike over too. While at the cafe I was talking to an older couple from Vermont about the Corona virus.
They told me they had just gotten home from China in December and narrowly missed the virus. They just as well could have brought it back with them.
This is 25 miles down a dirt road in Baja.
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