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TedZark
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Quote: Originally posted by brucedog  | | Also heavy on our minds was the possibility of supply chains being severely disrupted just around the time that we were running out of things. It's
pretty civilized up here in Oregon (just cold and raining). |
It is amazing how uncivilized things can become when supply chains are broken. I suspect our local supply chains (here in Mexico) are less dependent
on international suppliers. Especially the all important farmer to CaliMax connection.
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brucedog
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| Quote: Originally posted by TedZark | | Quote: Originally posted by brucedog | | Also heavy on our minds was the possibility of supply chains being severely disrupted just around the time that we were running out of things. It's
pretty civilized up here in Oregon (just cold and raining). |
It is amazing how uncivilized things can become when supply chains are broken. I suspect our local supply chains (here in Mexico) are less dependent
on international suppliers. Especially the all important farmer to CaliMax connection. |
In our town the water is unsafe to drink. There is a desal plant that fills tanks in town that is only for Mexican citizens. Most of us rely on one
guy (Daniel) to deliver drinkable water. If he isn't able to deliver we're drinking water that is salty and loaded with arsenic and aluminum.
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by Grenadiers | | We just bought a house in Mulege and plan to hunker down for quite awhile. Locals think that the beaches south of here will be closed to Semana Santa.
Hope they do. Still have the overland vehicle to escape. We’re selling it if anyone is interested. |
I sent you a U2U, The overland vehicle might be the perfect fit for my next adventure!
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BajaMama
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For those choosing to stay in Baja - I wish you luck. If you think the virus is not there yet, think again. We were in Loreto and San Ignacio the
last week of February. We were with people from all over the world. The incubation time for this is two weeks, so of all of these people who were
there as tourists only a few would need to have contracted the virus. Now think of all the tourists in the La Paz and Cabo areas. It is already on
the second wave down there. Unfortunately people can have the virus and not know it and spread it. Once it takes off, it is exponential, and those
at high risk (heart trouble, hypertension, diabetes, autoimmune issues, asthma, over 65) will not fare well and REQUIRE A VENTILATOR to stay alive.
It can take up to two weeks on the ventilator. I am not trying to sway you one way or the other, but just know that should you be one of the unlucky
20% who come down with the deadly symptoms (which are NOT flu like, it is a serious pneumonia which literally drowns your lungs). Once the symptoms
hit you, you will not have time to make it to the states. It comes on quick. Me? I'm terrified and I am a fairly healthy 60 year old with
hypertension. I am hunkering in my bay area home and hoping for the best. Good luck to everyone.
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del mar
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if I lived way down in baja (or mainland) I think I would have fled.....being so close to the border im actually closer to a VA hospital than I would
be in Ventura. It took awhile but folks are finally taking this seriously, it'll be interesting to see what april brings!
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brucedog
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La Ventana. I had the water tested a few years ago. Can't remember exact numbers but Salt, Aluminum, and Arsenic were many times over recommended safe
levels
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AKgringo
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Both arsenic, and aluminum are widely distributed in the earth's crust, especially aluminum (refined from bauxite).
Both are more common in areas with volcanic or extreme tectonic activity. Any well drilled where I am in northern CA better be tested for heavy metal
content.
Edit; arsenic is actually a metal
[Edited on 4-1-2020 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Interesting. The arsenic doesn't surprise me (aren't you downstream from San Antonio?), but I don't understand the aluminum. |
it is not unusual to see elevated arsenic and aluminum in GW from natural sources...
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Lots of mining activity in the area above El Sargento/La Ventana in years past. Possibly released during working the mines, or added to process
minerals.
(Much to learn from the first class mining museum in El Triunfo)
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pacificobob
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Interesting. The arsenic doesn't surprise me (aren't you downstream from San Antonio?), but I don't understand the aluminum. |
I have heard that among the population of San Juan de los planos exist cases of bladder cancer off the charts. Right down hill from San Antonio.
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4x4abc
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arsenic is not added during mining operations - Baja ground has a high level of arsenic naturally (it is even present in high levels in BCS municipal
drinking water supply. Some efforts are made to filter it out because of the high cancer rate in BCS.
Back to mining - because mining operations dig up and crush a lot of rock, more arsenic is eventually washed out.
The La Ventana/Los Planes/El Triunfo area has some other super toxic heavy metals in the soil. Due to the careless smelting process around the turn of
the century. Locals are paying the price for it today.
Think twice before buying a house in that area
Harald Pietschmann
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pacificobob
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Home test kits for aresenic are cheap, easy and conclusive
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | Both arsenic, and aluminum are widely distributed in the earth's crust, especially aluminum (refined from bauxite).
Edit; arsenic is actually a metal
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ever noticed those patches of black "sand" at Baja beaches? That is arsenic.
Collected it once to possibly use the color accent around the house or in the garden. Noticed that the bottle I had filled it in was extremely heavy.
Like metal. Put a magnet to it. Yup - stuck to the magnet. Had it tested. Arsenic.
Harald Pietschmann
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | Both arsenic, and aluminum are widely distributed in the earth's crust, especially aluminum (refined from bauxite).
Edit; arsenic is actually a metal
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ever noticed those patches of black "sand" at Baja beaches? That is arsenic.
Collected it once to possibly use the color accent around the house or in the garden. Noticed that the bottle I had filled it in was extremely heavy.
Like metal. Put a magnet to it. Yup - stuck to the magnet. Had it tested. Arsenic. |
the little stripes, ribbons and patches of black sand you see on a mostly light-colored sandy beach are usually denser grains, typically iron oxides,
amphiboles and pyroxenes. the iron oxides are magnetic. on baja beaches you might see arsenic occur in sufide minerals like pyrite, and these would
be denser than average, so would accumulate in the black ribbons you see in beach sand.
in some cases you might see beaches that are totally black sand, this is usually next to volcanic rock and the black is mostly basalt, andesite and
glass fragments that make up the sand.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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bajatravelergeorge
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I'm totally isolated and not accepting visitors so I feel pretty safe here in Baja at my house. My fear is, if COVID-19 hits Baja hard, the health
system will easily be overwhelmed and people will get desperate. I don't see the Mexican government being capable of funding a shutdown of the economy
like the U.S.
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bajatravelergeorge
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I'm totally isolated and not accepting visitors so I feel pretty safe here in Baja at my house. My fear is, if COVID-19 hits Baja hard, the health
system will easily be overwhelmed and people will get desperate. I don't see the Mexican government being capable of funding a shutdown of the economy
like the U.S.
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AKgringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Wait, are you saying that it was pure arsenic and that's why it was magnetic?
I'd always assumed that black magnetic "sand" was some sort of iron compound...  |
If it can be picked up with a magnet, it is Hematite, a form of iron ore. I have a jar of it in front of me right now (recovered from my sluice box),
and although arsenic is common in this area, I have never heard of it being associated with the black sand.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Bob H
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Hook, they have asked us to stay at home. So, if you live in Baja. That's your home. I'd just stock up and stay at home. That's what we are doing
here.
Hope you have enough Tequila to get you by. LOL
Bob H
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The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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Bruce R Leech
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I will be staying in Ensenada, nowhere else to go
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David K
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Stay safe, Bruce!
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