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Some may ring true, but they left a lot out. They said no human to human transmission....they wouldn't share info...incinerated thousands of bodies
(likely)….tried to cover it up.....pulled people from their homes by force...welded doors shut with people inside... continue to lie about their
numbers, etc...
I would trust drinking Tijuana gutter water before I would trust China!
Screw China! Buy AMERICAN!!!
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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MrBillM
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Enjoy the Ride ...............
............. Knowing that it will (likely) be the wildest (and for many the last) adventure of your lives given the
FACT that individual behavior will be the greatest determinant to affect the course of the virus.
NORMAL is quite possibly NEVER. We might well be living that "Contagion Disaster Movie" that we thought
entertaining in the past.
We're only a couple of months into the "BAD STUFF" business. Effective therapeutic drugs may never make a dent. Barring some
miraculous stroke of luck a (possible) effective vaccine is (at least) 8-10 times that far from general application.
IF (as now forecast by DCDT's favorite forecasters) we get to 3K dead and rising per day by 01 Jun with as (Doc Debbie NOW says) "
.......... our forecasts always were for up to 240,000 deaths ......... ", it's gonna get REAL UGLY.
BTW - Have a Nice Day.
You might not have many left.
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Pacifico
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Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  | ............. Knowing that it will (likely) be the wildest (and for many the last) adventure of your lives given the
FACT that individual behavior will be the greatest determinant to affect the course of the virus.
NORMAL is quite possibly NEVER. We might well be living that "Contagion Disaster Movie" that we thought
entertaining in the past.
We're only a couple of months into the "BAD STUFF" business. Effective therapeutic drugs may never make a dent. Barring some
miraculous stroke of luck a (possible) effective vaccine is (at least) 8-10 times that far from general application.
IF (as now forecast by DCDT's favorite forecasters) we get to 3K dead and rising per day by 01 Jun with as (Doc Debbie NOW says) "
.......... our forecasts always were for up to 240,000 deaths ......... ", it's gonna get REAL UGLY.
BTW - Have a Nice Day.
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Speaking of Contagion....I just watched it recently! Pretty crazy stuff...If you haven't seen it, it's an interesting time to watch it!
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM |
We're only a couple of months into the "BAD STUFF" business. Effective therapeutic drugs may never make a dent. Barring some
miraculous stroke of luck a (possible) effective vaccine is (at least) 8-10 times that far from general application.
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We should have a vaccine(two in fact) by the beginning of next year. Maybe even December. What's that, 8 months from now? Supposedly it's a very
effective vaccine, not like those flu shots we get. Just take it one day at a time...
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | ............. Knowing that it will (likely) be the wildest (and for many the last) adventure of your lives given the
FACT that individual behavior will be the greatest determinant to affect the course of the virus.
NORMAL is quite possibly NEVER. We might well be living that "Contagion Disaster Movie" that we thought
entertaining in the past.
We're only a couple of months into the "BAD STUFF" business. Effective therapeutic drugs may never make a dent. Barring some
miraculous stroke of luck a (possible) effective vaccine is (at least) 8-10 times that far from general application.
BTW - Have a Nice Day.
You might not have many left.
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Exercise, take your vitamins, lose some LB's.
Yes, ppl are going to die. Shelter in place isn't going to solve that. Testing will help slow it some.
Three things will help greatly:
1. Herd immunity
2. Drugs to improve chances of survival
3. Vaccine
[Edited on 5-5-2020 by JZ]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | ............. Knowing that it will (likely) be the wildest (and for many the last) adventure of your lives given the
FACT that individual behavior will be the greatest determinant to affect the course of the virus.
NORMAL is quite possibly NEVER. We might well be living that "Contagion Disaster Movie" that we thought
entertaining in the past.
We're only a couple of months into the "BAD STUFF" business. Effective therapeutic drugs may never make a dent. Barring some
miraculous stroke of luck a (possible) effective vaccine is (at least) 8-10 times that far from general application.
BTW - Have a Nice Day.
You might not have many left.
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Exercise, take your vitamins, lose some LB's.
Yes, ppl are going to die. Shelter in place isn't going to solve that. Testing will help slow it some.
Three things will help greatly:
1. Herd immunity
2. Drugs to improve chances of survival
3. Vaccine
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Re #1, which of your parents and wife’s parents do you not mind dieing?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Skipjack Joe
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The one who benefits the most from a mask is not the wearer but the receiver. The cough droplets still escape the mask but stay close to the persons
face.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/04/cough-coronavirus-masks-kaye-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
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BobbyC
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Exercise, take your vitamins, lose some LB's.
Yes, ppl are going to die. Shelter in place isn't going to solve that. Testing will help slow it some.
Three things will help greatly:
1. Herd immunity
2. Drugs to improve chances of survival
3. Vaccine
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Except that the whole HERD IMMUNITY idea seems to only work effectively if you find a vaccine relatively soon. Unless of course you are one of the
flippant ones who is willing to sacrifice millions.
What the Proponents of ‘Natural’ Herd Immunity Don’t Say
Easy to say until it hits someone close to you.
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MrBillM
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Masking that Herd can be Dangerous
FLINT, Mich. (AP) — A woman, her adult son and husband have been charged in the fatal shooting of a security guard who refused to
let her daughter enter a Family Dollar in Michigan because she wasn't wearing a face mask to protect against transmission of the coronavirus.
Calvin Munerlyn was shot Friday at the store just north of downtown Flint a short time after telling Sharmel Teague’s daughter she had to leave
because she lacked a mask, according to Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton.
Teague, 45, argued with Munerlyn, 43, before leaving. Two men later came to the store.
Teague; her husband, Larry Teague, 44; and Ramonyea Bishop, 23; are charged with first-degree premeditated murder and gun charges.
Larry Teague also is charged with violating Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's executive order mandating that all customers and employees must wear face
coverings inside grocery stores, Leyton said.
Witnesses identified Bishop as the man who shot Munerlyn in the back of the head, Leyton said.
Sharmel Teague has been arrested. Police were looking for her husband and son.
No information has been released about the daughter, who has not been charged in the shooting.
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chippy
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I was there a couple weeks ago. All very civilized- carts are sterilized, people are maintaining distance, staff and most customers wearing masks and
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Correctamundo! No problems. Plenty of everything! Fastest drive in a long time. Lifes good!
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JZ
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Thankfully that's the path we are on. And I'm 100% okay with that.
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Skipjack Joe
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The Spanish flu ended with herd immunity. The US lost 500,000-850,000 people. The country was much smaller then. I think now it would reach 2.5
million.
We were projected to reach 60,000 deaths. That has been upgraded to 124,000 deaths at the current rate(72,000 now). We'll see.
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JZ
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This isn't the Spanish Flu and current medical technology isn't based on 1820's.
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Exactly. Those afraid to re-enter the work force/society... please stay home. Quit holding the rest of us hostage.
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MrBillM
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No Worries
We've entered the inevitable "Que Sera Sera" phase and soon enough (within the year) we'll know the likely result. Popular
arguments, theories and politics won't matter.
In any case, the economy is going to be a F-cking mess for a long while no matter what. Longer than I'm going to be around and
that's all that counts. Restaurants, airlines and whatever aren't going to do well operating at half (or less) capacity. Bankruptcies are coming BIG
time.
Let's just hope that enough folks stay alive and show up in those packing plants to keep Rib-Eyes in the meat case and the Illegals
stay healthy enough to man the fields.
Maybe, we'll even see the day when Toilet Paper is again a commonplace presence on the shelf.
Well, maybe not.
On the bright side .................(best case in the worst case ?), we'll see a few (or more) of those on our "wish you were dead" lists
gone before we hit the ground gasping for that last breath.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | We've entered the inevitable "Que Sera Sera" phase and soon enough (within the year) we'll know the likely result. Popular
arguments, theories and politics won't matter.
In any case, the economy is going to be a F-cking mess for a long while no matter what. Longer than I'm going to be around and
that's all that counts. Restaurants, airlines and whatever aren't going to do well operating at half (or less) capacity. Bankruptcies are coming BIG
time.
Let's just hope that enough folks stay alive and show up in those packing plants to keep Rib-Eyes in the meat case and the Illegals
stay healthy enough to man the fields.
Maybe, we'll even see the day when Toilet Paper is again a commonplace presence on the shelf.
Well, maybe not.
On the bright side .................(best case in the worst case ?), we'll see a few (or more) of those on our "wish you were dead" lists
gone before we hit the ground gasping for that last breath.
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Modern version of 'Chicken Little'
"Henny Penny, more commonly known in the United States as Chicken Little and sometimes as Chicken Licken, is a European folk tale with a moral in the
form of a cumulative tale about a chicken who believes that the world is coming to an end. The phrase "The sky is falling!" features prominently in
the story, and has passed into the English language as a common idiom indicating a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. Similar
stories go back more than 25 centuries;[1] it continues to be referred to in a variety of media. "
Stay at home...duck and cover...the world is ending in (?) years. "Similar stories go back more than 25 centuries"
There's a whole lot to see above that Ostrich hole.
Mexico is re-opening
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The Spanish flu happened during WWI.
But yes, without a vaccine and without a cure we're literally fighting this the same way Venice fought the Black Death in the 14th century -
quarantine. Those people that are hospitalized are essentially getting nothing more than a bed and oxygen towards the end.
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MrBillM
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The Sky MAY be Falling, But SO WHAT ?
There's no point in debating the inevitable. We're on our way and we'll see where the road taken leads. We might be right, we might be wrong, but
we're going to be getting on. Whatever the Death count, only a fool believes that nonsense about a "rocketing" economic recovery
anytime in the next few years. Shining a UV light up your nostril and down your throat everyday won't pay the bills.
As the Wolfe Tones sing:
" We're on the one road - Sharing the one load - We're on the road to God knows where - We're on the one road - It may be the wrong road But we're
together now who cares ............... North men South men comrades all ............ We're on the one road swinging along - Singing a soldier's song "
And, marching along, we're about to head out to find if we've actually been successful in getting a rental car for our overdue (usually
bi-monthly) trip to El Centro. Assuming success, we're then faced with the "take-out" lunch decision. Chili's
open ?
1800 Hrs. An A-OK Day ?*
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Given that each day venturing into the new normal comes with a 2-14 day asterisk, it was "so far-so good".
Near-normal traffic SB (I10/CA86) a.m. Heavier NB (CA111/CA86/I10) p.m. Lunching (Farmer Boys) take-out in the car in a parking lot
a bummer. El Centro Costco parking lot packed.
It looked like a good day for those who might be smuggling Illegals NB. NO inspection activity or interest at the Salton Sea CBP
checkpoint. 106 degrees and CV-19 a discouragement ?
Manana, our pooch is scheduled for a shot. Procedure is to call upon arrival at the (locked) entrance. A tech will come out, take the dog
inside and we wait outside. WEIRD. Unknown is how the payment process works. Maybe, they've upgraded to wireless card scanners ?
Or, they'll chance your presence for payment.
Doc's office (our MD) left a voicemail today regarding our usual 3-month routine updates. We can either do a video or telephone chat. Obviously, all
that usual heart, weight, temp, bp, otra stuff (along with the lab work) is superfluous in this time of killer cough.
[Edited on 5-7-2020 by MrBillM]
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Just finished my third book about pandemics:
"Pandemic: Tracking Contagions, from Cholera to Ebola and Beyond"
https://www.amazon.com/Pandemic-Tracking-Contagions-Cholera-...
I'm in self-isolation for the foreseeable future. My wife does all the shopping, she always has, so I don't need to leave the house.
From what I've been reading, the pandemic will continue until about 70% of the population is immune, either from contracting the disease and surviving
or from a yet to be developed vaccine.
The re-opening of businesses and other places people gather is one grand experiment. More people are going to get sick, more are going to die, but
hey, people need to work and businesses need to operate. I'll be happy to see the market come back.
If you're going out, please use hand sanitizer and/or wash your hands frequently. If you're feeling sick, even a little bit, stay home.
On a positive note, Shakespeare wrote several of his plays while in self-isolation because of the bubonic plague and Issac Newton developed his theory
of gravitation while in self-isolation for the same reason.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
From what I've been reading, the pandemic will continue until about 70% of the population is immune, either from contracting the disease and surviving
or from a yet to be developed vaccine.
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Assuming the virus doesn't mutate fast enough to counter both the "herd immunity" and (yet to be developed) vaccine.
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