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motoged
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Lol. You can't think for yourself, can you.
Read that article more closely, plus read another 100 different articles.
If you don't believe in antibodies ...
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As you said earlier...."Dumbest chit ever"
While you are walking your mutt, encouraging folks to do whatever they want regardless of their effects on others, and asking everyone to plan your
next outing..... you might consider a saying : "It's better to close your mouth and appear to be a fool than open it and remove all doubt".
Folks who have recovered from this virus are susceptible to reinfection..... an antibody "fail".....
I think it's a good thing for people to think for themselves....but also pay attention to the opposing information based on folks more experienced in
that area. Maybe your sense of "freedom, rights, and rugged individualism" looks good on a Marlboro cigarette ad, but also may explain why Americans
are dying from the virus at a greater rate than other areas of the planet.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Lee
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''Please don't advocate irresponsible behavior that puts people's lives at risk''
Some people might tell you to mind your own f'ing business.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
As you said earlier...."Dumbest chit ever"
While you are walking your mutt, encouraging folks to do whatever they want regardless of their effects on others, and asking everyone to plan your
next outing..... you might consider a saying : "It's better to close your mouth and appear to be a fool than open it and remove all doubt".
Folks who have recovered from this virus are susceptible to reinfection..... an antibody "fail".....
I think it's a good thing for people to think for themselves....but also pay attention to the opposing information based on folks more experienced in
that area. Maybe your sense of "freedom, rights, and rugged individualism" looks good on a Marlboro cigarette ad, but also may explain why Americans
are dying from the virus at a greater rate than other areas of the planet.
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The virus isn't going away. Distancing served the purpose of allowing the medical field to ramp up.
If .2 have to die to save 99.8, that's how it has to be. Good luck to you.
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JZ
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That was the situation weeks ago. That's why no rational person could be opposed of shutting things down for a while.
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Alm
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| Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi |
Exposure to UV light both surface and flesh may be beneficial to slowing down the life of CV-19. So a boat may be just the right place to be for
humans.
Exposure to heat (summer temps coming) may also be a death blow to CV-19. So get outdoors in the dry sunshine.
Exposure to each other may have increased the growth of Anti-bodies in those who test positive and exhibit no symptoms. So perhaps socializing is now
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Not true. Once virus is in your body, UV doesn't matter. A boat full of people will only help spreading the disease. There is a limited evidence of
benefits of sun UV-A and UV-B on virus lifespan anyway. To effectively disinfect objects there is UV-C light, it's used in automated equipment to
disinfect buses, trains etc, extremely damaging to humans, robots are doing it.
The effect of heat is more vague yet. Definitely not a "death blow".
Having antibodies doesn't mean you're immune. It is not known what level of antibodies could ensure the immunity and for how long.
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JZ
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Went to Thousand Oaks today. To a big bike shop to get a battery charger.
It was operating like nothing has happened. They never shut down and all their bikes were outside for sale. No one wearing a mask. Great to see.
In Ventura county there are 16 deaths out of a population of 850K.
[Edited on 4-25-2020 by JZ]
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In Ventura county there are 16 deaths out of a population of 850K.
[Edited on 4-25-2020 by JZ][/rquote]
And how many previously had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal? I don’t think they are sorting them out in the statistics.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi |
Exposure to UV light both surface and flesh may be beneficial to slowing down the life of CV-19. So a boat may be just the right place to be for
humans.
Exposure to heat (summer temps coming) may also be a death blow to CV-19. So get outdoors in the dry sunshine.
Exposure to each other may have increased the growth of Anti-bodies in those who test positive and exhibit no symptoms. So perhaps socializing is now
a benefit. |
Not true. Once virus is in your body, UV doesn't matter. A boat full of people will only help spreading the disease. There is a limited evidence of
benefits of sun UV-A and UV-B on virus lifespan anyway. To effectively disinfect objects there is UV-C light, it's used in automated equipment to
disinfect buses, trains etc, extremely damaging to humans, robots are doing it.
The effect of heat is more vague yet. Definitely not a "death blow".
Having antibodies doesn't mean you're immune. It is not known what level of antibodies could ensure the immunity and for how long.
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You may be a bit behind the curve, Aim. This is worth reading:
Here comes the Sun
https://pjmedia.com/trending/here-comes-the-sun-the-good-new...
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver |
And how many previously had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal? I don’t think they are sorting them out in the statistics.
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Lol, I'm gonna steal that line.
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Distancing served the purpose of allowing the medical field to ramp up.
If .2 have to die to save 99.8, that's how it has to be. Good luck to you.
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That was only one function of distancing. Reducing the risk of transmission is clearly another. As it is currently impossible to identify those
carrying the virus, and, as you say, it isn't going away. Isn't it common sense to reduce risk with the simplest method known to be effective?
(rhetorical question)
I too look forward to the need for distancing being reduced.....and ideally eliminated. In the meantime, I hold the belief that distancing is
respectful of self and other.
Namaste
Don't believe everything you think....
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The new Lincoln Project ad sez it all in a simple nutshell;
There are two groups of people in our Country right now. The first group are the Givers; the medical heroes on the front lines risking their lives so
others might live. This includes the grocery workers, truckers and all others in harm's way to see people have their needs filled.
The second group are the takers; the "ME" group. They protest, they yell, they intimidate with fire arms, they demand only for themselves.
Which group are you in??
[Edited on 4-25-2020 by bajabuddha]
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Pretty simple nutshell all right….It completely ignores the vast majority of us who are in neither group!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Alm
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I would question the value of this reading.
There are more reliable sources with references to scientific journals.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200409/dont-count-on-warme....
To summarize, lab studies show "relationship" between sun/heat/humidity and CV-19. Population studies - not so much.
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We're talking about two different things. The transmission of the virus vs. the shelf life of the virus, itself.
"While reviewing the data, he (Bill Bryan, under secretary for Science and Technology at DHS) was clear about the study. Increased temperature,
humidity and UV rays from the sun reduce the presence of the virus over minutes instead of hours or days."
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Lol. You can't think for yourself, can you.
Read that article more closely, plus read another 100 different articles.
If you don't believe in antibodies you should never talk on this Covid subject again.
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Unfortunately, according to the WHO as of today, there is still NO evidence that people who have been infected and recovered are immune to
re-infection. I find it hard to believe, but there ya go.
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Isn't this thread about boats and boating in Baja????
WOW has everyone sure got off subject, AGAIN!!!
Anyway with that said, OH YEAH this thread is on boating in Baja.....Went out on a 55 ft out of San Jose del Cabo Friday as 1st mate. Capt wanted a
licensed Captain to run the boat while he went in the water. El Capitan shot a real nice pargo. Also picked off a nice yellow fin on the way in.
Real nice Sashimi!!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by coconuts | Isn't this thread about boats and boating in Baja????
WOW has everyone sure got off subject, AGAIN!!!
Anyway with that said, OH YEAH this thread is on boating in Baja.....Went out on a 55 ft out of San Jose del Cabo Friday as 1st mate. Capt wanted a
licensed Captain to run the boat while he went in the water. El Capitan shot a real nice pargo. Also picked off a nice yellow fin on the way in.
Real nice Sashimi!!! |
Lucky you! I wonder how that happened when all of our boats are beached.
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"Feathers",
Yachts are much different than beach launched panga's with outboards. They need to be run and engines brought up to load. Port Captains throughout
the world are or should be aware of that. Therefore a "workout" of a million dollar yacht is not out of the question. This is done so the yacht does
not end up on the beach with yours.
BEFORE you go off about me putting down panga's, they have their place and they surely put 1000's of kilos of beautiful fish "in the box" every year.
I love to fish off them. It's even easier in my book. But I get paid to run yachts.
I am just pointing out that the harbors are not locked down like North Korea or China or some have suggested on this site. At least we're talking
Baja, not politics. Local authorities were well area of the purpose of the cruise.
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Plus the Port Captain always likes a nice chunk of Atun.
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