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Alm
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Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine offer no help with COVID-19, large-scale study finds
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200522113712.h...
"This is the first large scale study to find statistically robust evidence that treatment with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine does not benefit
patients with COVID-19. Instead, our findings suggest it may be associated with an increased risk of serious heart problems and increased risk of
death. Randomised clinical trials are essential to confirm any harms or benefits associated with these agents. In the meantime, we suggest these drugs
should not be used as treatments for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials."
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BajaNaranja
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Four studies cited by this Reuters article support the contention that HCQ isn't panning out as a COVID-19 treatment:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hy...
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BajaNaranja
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Right, Bob and Susan, thanks for reading.
The Reuters article also says:
"An observational study of patients in France found that the drug [hydroxychloroquine] did not significantly reduce admission to intensive care or
death in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 pneumonia who required oxygen."
Which is very much in agreement with the study that Alm shared. A succinct quote from that one:
"...treatment with the antimalarial drug chloroquine or its analogue hydroxychloroquine ... offers no benefit for patients with COVID-19."
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MrBillM
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Face the FACT !
The Faithful are onboard ALL the way.
Once DT takes a position, there is NOTHING that can sway them away.
Trying isn't worth the bother.
If DT were to endorse intravenous injections of Canine urine, they'd be out trying to catch Fido's stream.
BTW-since the standard for treatment seems to be "Why Not ? What have you got to lose ?", WHY are we ignoring that cure-all proven by
centuries of Jewish mothers ....................... Chicken Soup !
Cheaper and more readily available without prescription.
It "might" work.
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SFandH
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Heard on NPR that lupus sufferers, who take chloroquine as a treatment are having a hard time getting it. Bozo has caused a supply shortage.
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Bruce R Leech
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fake news
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SFandH
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Could be. But.....
"Health experts are warning hundreds of thousands of people, mostly women, could be in pain thanks to a shortage of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), a
medicine used to treat Lupus, but now touted (and increasingly discredited) as a treatment for COVID-19."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewwight/2020/05/06/coronavi...
What makes you think it is fake news?
[Edited on 5-23-2020 by SFandH]
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thebajarunner
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Geez Louise.
If you are really sick you will reach for anything
Remember when late term cancer patients went to Rosarito for laetrile (apricot pit) treatment?
Chloraquine warnings are clear for people with BP issues and other related problems. Got high blood pressure? Don't take it!
I took it for two years while traveling in malaria prone countries. I just looked in the mirror, still here!!
Quit because the protocol said it might "mask the symptoms" of malaria so I discontinued.
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mtgoat666
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Now that the weather and pool are warm, I have taken to nightly treatment with quinine in the form of gin and tonic. My form of quinine is far
superior to that crappy synthetic quinine, hdrochloroquinine, that trump is choking down.
There is no evidence that my quinine treatment causes heart arythmia 
[Edited on 5-23-2020 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan  | there is no shortage...in fact any pharmacy in texas has it with doctors note...
the forbes article uses data from the aspen institute a think tank in WashingtonDC...
their money comes from...
Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates, Eric Holder, Madeleine Albright, Sandra Day O'Connor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Salam Fayyad
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What makes you believe every ridiculous conspiracy theory?
Got a brain? Use it!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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AKgringo
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I have been taking medications for years now to treat an arrhythmia, and enlarged left ventricle. Since I am already taking the drugs to treat
potential side effects of hydrochloroquinine, I should be good to go with the malaria pills!
Back away from the keyboard...I am just kidding! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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LancairDriver
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Maybe we can get some more opinions from our favorite climate scientists.😁
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | there is no shortage...in fact any pharmacy in texas has it with doctors note...
the forbes article uses data from the aspen institute a think tank in WashingtonDC...
their money comes from...
Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates, Eric Holder, Madeleine Albright, Sandra Day O'Connor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Salam Fayyad
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Well, gee whiz, the information must be incorrect then. 
I looked into it, the FDA website says there was a shortage of the drug but it has been remedied. The drug company has stepped up to the challenge.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | sciencedaily.com just reprints press releases...
the info came from Lancet
The Lancet is owned by Elsevier...Richard Horton
This publication has editorial offices in London, New York,
and Beijing CHINA
do you really think it hasn't been compromised
Richard Horton is paid by the WHO...and the WHO follows Chinas lead...
"On 1 May, Horton was interviewed for the Chinese news program Xinwen Lianbo and reportedly praised the 'innovation' of the Chinese response, while
decrying politicians from other countries for making statements critical of the Chinese government."
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No Bob, I do not believe it has been compromized. You seem to have no idea how real science is conducted. how the results are analyzed, How the
study is reviewed, and vetted before publication. The whole world is not involved in some gigantic get trump consporacy theory. sorry, you need
to hold him accountable for his woreds and actions instead of tryiung to lay it off as some sort of world wide conspiracy!
but boy oh boy are those lefty libs getting good at hoaxes eh? their latest hoax has infected 5.5 million people world wide and killed 350,000,
thats pretty good hoaxing - don't you think!
sorry to interrupt you, I assume you have a daily appointment for your solar enema - right!
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | you mean people were turned away because there was no drug...
or was it there was not enough to give to every person in the world?
the reality is no person who needed it went without it |
I don't think anybody had any plans to make it for "every person in the world". I'm surprised you consider that a possibility.
And it's not what I think. The Forbes article said:
"Health experts are warning hundreds of thousands of people, mostly women, could be in pain thanks to a shortage of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), a
medicine used to treat Lupus,"
Here is a link to the FDA website listing drug shortages:
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/drugshortages/default...
It shows the chloroquine shortage as being resolved.
There was a shortage, there no longer is.
Your dismissal of information from the Aspen Institute, (founded in 1949) because you don't like some of the people you allege donate to it is just
plain covfefe.
"The Aspen Institute is largely funded by foundations such as the Carnegie Corporation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Gates Foundation, the
Lumina Foundation, and the Ford Foundation,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen_Institute
[Edited on 5-23-2020 by SFandH]
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A quick online search for "Hydroxychloroquine Study" would turn up good news in our fight against Covid-19.
Don't let your politics infect every aspect of your life.
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Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study
Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the
antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-stu...
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SFandH
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Funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dUUkpVpS_k
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| Quote: Originally posted by SunDevil | A quick online search for "Hydroxychloroquine Study" would turn up good news in our fight against Covid-19.
Don't let your politics infect every aspect of your life.
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Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study
Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the
antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-stu... |
You're asking far too much, SunDevil. The TDS herd mentality is fairly strong here... and they've got the biggest mouths. Previous replies
say it all.
[Edited on 5-28-2020 by Feathers]
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/fauci-hydroxychloro...
May 27, 2020
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci on Wednesday became the first Trump administration official to say
definitively that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment for the coronavirus, based on the available data.
"The scientific data is really quite evident now about the lack of efficacy," Fauci — the U.S. government's top infectious disease expert — said
on CNN.
But he stopped short of calling for an outright ban of the drug, which President Trump said he was taking last week as a preventative measure after a
top White House aide was diagnosed with the coronavirus.
Fauci's comments come days after the Lancet published a 96,000-patient observational study that concluded that hydroxychloroquine had no effect on
Covid-19 and may have even caused some harm.
France decided this week to ban the use of hydroxychloroquine, even in clinical trials, and the WHO has paused its clinical trials of the drug.
There is no data yet from randomized, controlled clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine — the gold standard for evaluating potential treatments. But
Fauci was unequivocal on Wednesday, saying that "the data are clear right now."
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BajaNaranja
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This article is a bit older (April 8), but gives some background on why the current administration may be promoting hydroxychloroquine u$age:
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/04/dark-money-groups-p...
‘Dark money’ groups pushed Trump to back unproven COVID-19 treatment
A conservative “dark money” group that received funding from the pharmaceutical industry’s largest trade organization pushed President Donald
Trump to use unproven antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 and make it more widely available.
Last month, the conservative nonprofit group Job Creators Network collaborated with health care nonprofit Physicians for Reform to launch an online
petition, a series of Facebook ads and a mass text message campaign urging Trump to make hydroxychloroquine available to treat patients battling
COVID-19, Sludge reported. These groups do not disclose their sources of funding.
“There is clear and ever-mounting evidence that the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine can significantly help patients who contract
coronavirus,” the petition read.
One of Trump’s most influential supporters, Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, founded the Job Creators Network in 2011. Marcus gave $7 million
to outside groups supporting Trump’s 2016 presidential run. He also gave $100,000 to the pro-Trump super PAC America First Action in 2018 to further
support Trump’s second presidential bid and plans to spend even more to support Trump’s reelection.
Physicians for Reform often works with conservative advocacy group Freedomworks to influence the deregulation of health care policies.
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America gave millions in grants to conservative groups in 2018 that pushed industry-friendly policies to
Trump, according to tax returns analyzed by OpenSecrets. The industry’s top lobbying group gave FreedomWorks $100,000 in 2018. It also gave $500,000
to the Job Creators Network in 2017.
PhRMA represents the most powerful drug companies in the country such as Bayer, Novartis and Teva. These companies, along with Mylan, have pledged to
donate 200 million hydroxychloroquine tablets for clinical testing, according to Job Creators Network’s petition. These pharmaceuticals stand to
profit the most if the drug is officially used to treat COVID-19.
Sandoz, a division of Novartis, donated 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate to the Department of Health and Human Services. Bayer also
donated one million doses of medical grade chloroquine phosphate to the Strategic National Stockpile last month.
PhRMA spent a record $29.3 million on lobbying in 2019. It hired 183 lobbyists to influence policy on its behalf. More than 70 percent of its
lobbyists formerly held a position in government.
Infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci argued that hydroxychloroquine is unproven to combat COVID-19 and claims that the drug is successful are
based on anecdotal evidence, Axios reported. Despite limited evidence on the drugs’ effectiveness in COVID-19 treatment, Trump has repeatedly
promoted the use of the drug in the White House’s coronavirus briefings. Some doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with other
medications are seeing positive results in patients’ health.
There is a shortage of hydroxychloroquine, which is currently approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus, a
chronic autoimmune disease. The shortage is driven in part by doctors hoarding it and prescribing it to themselves, families and friends, ProPublica
reported. Now, lupus patients are struggling to fill their prescriptions.
After Trump endorsed the drug for COVID-19 therapy, a couple in Arizona ingested chloroquine phosphate, which is not the medical form of chloroquine
and is used as a parasite treatment for fish. The woman was hospitalized in critical care while her husband died, according to NBC News.
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