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paranewbi
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Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke  | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Looks similar to what I saw with people burning police cars and police stations. Not the way to do it. But time will tell what happens here in the
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Taking the knee at NFL games was also stated as, "Not the way to do it." So, if non-violent, silent protest is, "Not the way to do it" and not
setting your children atop a topled Serra statue is, "Not the way to do it", then what is the "right way"? for urgent, social/structural change?
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How about teaching your children that your opinion doesn't matter where you work...your there to work! And do it well as EXPECTED. If your talented
enough to make big bucks where few do then count your blessings and thank your boss for the opportunity...don't risk his well being (business) for
your personal BS. Because that's what you bring to him.
IF you want to have your say about the past then accept that your past will be in question also...and more and more that is evident by what you posted
on the internet, not what was written in a history book or exhibited in public. Good luck defending your sins in the public forum...unless you think
you don't have any, just wait and someone will eventually point it out.
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| Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi | | Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Looks similar to what I saw with people burning police cars and police stations. Not the way to do it. But time will tell what happens here in the
end. I hope for the best for ALL Americans. |
Taking the knee at NFL games was also stated as, "Not the way to do it." So, if non-violent, silent protest is, "Not the way to do it" and not
setting your children atop a topled Serra statue is, "Not the way to do it", then what is the "right way"? for urgent, social/structural change?
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How about teaching your children that your opinion doesn't matter where you work...your there to work! And do it well as EXPECTED. If your talented
enough to make big bucks where few do then count your blessings and thank your boss for the opportunity...don't risk his well being (business) for
your personal BS. Because that's what you bring to him.
IF you want to have your say about the past then accept that your past will be in question also...and more and more that is evident by what you posted
on the internet, not what was written in a history book or exhibited in public. Good luck defending your sins in the public forum...unless you think
you don't have any, just wait and someone will eventually point it out.
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Perhaps you angry old white Football fans should be less sensitive. Don’t be a snowflake that gets enraged every time you see a more-successful
black man express an opinion you don’t like!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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pacificobob
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X2 goat.
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Tioloco
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Goat and Pacifico-
You guys are sad. Continually inserting false narrative to cover your own bias. People like you are why this country is so divided. Real pieces of
work. If you were young, there would be hope for you. Unfortunately, the world has passed you by and you will be soon forgotten in the dust.
Oops... Did I say “Unfortunately” ?
Even I make mistakes from time to time.
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Change takes time, a long time, it's like eating an elephant one bite at a time. I think the protesters want it all at once and I don't think that's
going to happen. We had a black president for 8 years, what really has changed during that time. One way to look at it was that Trump was elected.
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The protesters goal was to lessen and/or eliminate the impact Junipero Serra's reign had on the physical and emotional well-being of the people who
were exposed to his proselytizing and foreign lifestyle. The Indigenous people were described in the video as, "...disgusting..." and this
self-hatred has been internalized for generations - according to the narrator of the Los Angeles video. These protests are born out of a desire for a
better life both for the protesters as well as the children in attendance at the protests. 46% of the American population is now unemployed, so
"Working hard and pleasing your boss" sounds nice, but the narrator's goal is removing a generational grasp that was placed on her people - something
more profound than a mere pat on the back at the workplace. This action goes much deeper.
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Can't We ALL Just Get Along ?
While I can certainly understand AND agree with the position that those F-ing Friars "might" not properly be objects of historical adoration,
at the same time I am unequivocally opposed to the lawless activities engaged in by the mob and would like to see everyone caught subject to serious
jail time as a lesson to others.
The same is true of the Confederate symbols (in effect) celebrating a treasonous period attempting to preserve the unpardonable sin
of slavery.
Remove those symbols through lawful political action. Jail the criminals.
As an (humorous ?) aside, although I find those who embrace the whole "Confederate" legacy a bunch of ignorant, racist hicks, my penchant for
needling those who go nutty over the question too easy a target to ignore.
SO .................. I checked EBay this a.m. for some 5" x 3" (postcard-size) Confederate Flag Decals. NO LUCK. ALL novelty
items of that sort GONE. No problema, though. I found numerous otra sources and ordered a quantity to send out now and then or paste in
various locations as whimsy dictates.
" Double, double toil and trouble .......... Fire burn and caldron bubble.
For a charm of powerful trouble .......... Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."
Fun is where you find it.
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Mexico re-brands 1520 Spanish defeat as 'Victorious Night'
Associated Press Associated Press•June 30, 2020
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Officials in Mexico City held a small ceremony and unveiled a plaque Tuesday to re-brand the way the 1520 defeat of Spanish
conquistadores in Mexico's capital has been remembered.
For centuries, Mexicans called June 30, 1520 “La Noche Triste,” or the “Sad Night,” the name given to it by the eventually victorious
Spaniards. That was because hundreds of Spaniards and their Indigenous allies died when Hernán Cortés and his troops fled the increasingly
rebellious Aztec capital, now Mexico City.
On Tuesday, Mexico City officials unveiled a plaque and banners celebrating the Spanish defeat, calling it “The Victorious Night.”
The ceremony is symbolic of how Mexicans have struggled with how to mark the 500th anniversary of the 1519-1521 Conquest.
At that time, Aztec warriors under their new leader, Cuitláhuac, attacked the Spaniards as they fled from the island city of Tenochtitlan, across a
narrow causeway.
Once they reached dry land, Cortés reportedly sat and wept under a tree. The original “Tree of the Sad Night” was later burned.
But on Monday, city Culture Secretary José Alfonso Suárez del Real y Aguilera planted a small tree of the same kind — a Montezuma cypress — at
the site and unveiled the “Victorious Night” plaque.
“Let’s break with these legends of sadness and tears, and recognize the strength, the courage and the audacity of the Mexica peoples who stood up
the invaders,” Suárez del Real y Aguilera said.
Drawing a parallel with the current coronavirus pandemic, he urged Mexicans to remember that the Aztecs were defeated as much by smallpox and other
European diseases that the Spanish brought, as by their swords. “Let’s recognize that, if it hadn’t of been for the smallpox, the Conquest
surely would not have been as easy and simple as it was to cruelly attack people dying of hunger and an unknown disease.”
The fleeing Spaniards dropped some of the gold they had looted from the Aztec capital, then known as Tenochtitlán. Some of the gold was later found
and was tested recently, confirming it was likely Aztec gold.
Cortés retreated from Mexico City, regrouped, gained more Indigenous allies and in 1521 returned to conquer the Aztec capital. The Spaniards went on
to conquer the rest of Mexico in the ensuing years.
Mexico has struggled with how to mark the 500th anniversary of the conquest, which resulted in the death of a large part of the country’s
pre-Hispanic population.
President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has demanded an apology from Spain for abuses committed during the conquest.
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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Interesting, thanks. Good for AMLO!
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Getting it Done and Getting us Together Again
To Heck with halfway measures. EVERY country accused of historical oppression should issue a Mass Mea Culpa. The UN would be an
appropriate venue.
Something like:
"WE [insert offending peoples] DO HEREBY APOLOGIZE AND ASK FORGIVENESS FOR EVERY HISTORICAL EVIL PERPETRATED BY ANY
OF OUR ANTECEDENTS ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME !
They could even engrave it on a memorial plaque and present it (on bended knee, of course) to be enshrined on a towering (nonwhite) Obelisk . Perhaps
in Geneva. With a chorus formed by representatives from each offending nation singing " .......... Come on people now, Smile on your brother,
Everybody get together, Try to love one another, Right now ..........."
There could be a cathartic annual "World Weeping Day" to atone for the sins of history.
This could work. Let's all get on that Bus to righteous realization and rapprochement.
Then move on.
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pacificobob
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | Goat and Pacifico-
You guys are sad. Continually inserting false narrative to cover your own bias. People like you are why this country is so divided. Real pieces of
work. If you were young, there would be hope for you. Unfortunately, the world has passed you by and you will be soon forgotten in the dust.
Oops... Did I say “Unfortunately” ?
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feelers hurt?
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | To Heck with halfway measures. EVERY country accused of historical oppression should issue a Mass Mea Culpa. The UN would be an
appropriate venue.
Something like:
"WE [insert offending peoples] DO HEREBY APOLOGIZE AND ASK FORGIVENESS FOR EVERY HISTORICAL EVIL PERPETRATED BY ANY
OF OUR ANTECEDENTS ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME !
They could even engrave it on a memorial plaque and present it (on bended knee, of course) to be enshrined on a towering (nonwhite) Obelisk . Perhaps
in Geneva. With a chorus formed by representatives from each offending nation singing " .......... Come on people now, Smile on your brother,
Everybody get together, Try to love one another, Right now ..........."
There could be a cathartic annual "World Weeping Day" to atone for the sins of history.
This could work. Let's all get on that Bus to righteous realization and rapprochement.
Then move on.
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The only problem ... This is a logical approach, therefore a non-starter 
Thinking Trona 
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | We had a black president for 8 years, what really has changed during that time. One way to look at it was that Trump was elected.
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Police began wearing body cams during Obama's presidency. For Law Enforcement, that is a big step forward. Gay marriage was ruled legal by the
Supreme Court.
Currently, there are Confederate statues being brought down by municipalities around the country - BIG. John Wayne Airport is looking like it will be
renamed. The Sports Team name that doubles for a racial epithet is being changed. Even Jeep SUVs are looking to get name changes.
But, this is small stuff in comparison to the justice that is being given to the family a Ahmad Aubrey as his case was all but closed, and his killers
were walking around as free men in Georgia. George Floyd's murderers are jailed is a large jump in criminal justice reform.
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So, will this be the death of the Jeep Cherokee, 1974-2021?
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I don't think so ....they die all on their own.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Sore over Serra ?
I think that a BOLO should be put out on Junipero y Amigos. Given their outfits, they should be easy to spot.
Anyone encountering him or any of his Friar Tuck followers in their hometowns or travels should hold those Papist Padres to account.
Demand that they explain themselves.
Let us know what they have to say.
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Father Junipero Serra in the news, the youth of today say his name is offensive!
San Diego UT:
San Diego Unified’s Junipero Serra High School will now be called Canyon Hills High School after students successfully petitioned for the name
change, saying that the name of the founder of California’s mission system is offensive to indigenous peoples whose ancestors were subjected to its
doctrine.
On Tuesday night, the San Diego Unified School Board unanimously voted for the name change and to change the school’s mascot from a conquistador to
a rattlesnake, or a “Rattler.”
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A rattlesnake is a way cooler mascot than an colonial soldier
Woke!
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most American racists lack the courage to admit to their views, and conceal it in a variety of ways. some cultures just admit it. the Japanese
come to mind. they openly consider non Japanese as inferior, and are ok with it.
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[rquote= and conceal it in a variety of ways[/rquote]
Is this a concession that "systemic racism" exists?
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The past should be known and taught, not hidden and forgotten.
Bad things happened... LEARN from it (so it won't be repeated).
If your feelings are hurt because something bad happened hundreds of years ago... well, you better toughen up, pilgrim.
Junípero Serra (and the Spanish Government) founded San Diego's mission (and first colony). THAT is what is being memorialized.
ADD a statue of a Native American founder instead of removing Serra's and erasing him from the books.
Serra actually defended the Natives from the Spanish soldiers. The next mission after San Diego was at Monterey, but Serra soon moved the mission to
Carmel so the soldiers of the Monterey presidio couldn't easily have their way with Native girls.
If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the government of Spain, not at a mission priest.
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