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puzzled.gif posted on 6-22-2020 at 07:44 AM
INDIAN LABOR AT THE CALIFORNIA MISSIONS SLAVERY OR SALVATION?


INDIAN LABOR AT THE CALIFORNIA MISSIONS SLAVERY OR SALVATION?

https://sandiegohistory.org/journal/1978/april/labor/

Form this scholarly article, it sounds like Forced conversion to Catholicism and living in the missions was was akin to slavery...

“ La Pérouse left a picture of a highly regularized communal system in which transgressions of rules made by the Franciscans were swiftly punished. Indians lived in crude huts and life was carefully regulated by the ringing of a bell. Discipline ultimately depended upon physical abuse and this was pointed out by the foreigner.

‘Corporal punishment is inflicted on the Indians of both sexes who neglect the exercises of piety, and many sins, which are left in Europe to the divine justice, are here punished by iron and stocks. And lastly, to complete the similtude between this and other religious communities, it must be observed, that the moment an Indian is baptised, the effect is the same as if he had pronounced a vow for life. If he escape, to reside with his relations in the independent villages, he is summoned three times to return, and if he refuse, the missionaries apply to the governor, who sends soldiers to seize him in the midst of his family, and conduct him to the mission, where he is condemned to receive a certain number of lashes, with the whip.’ “






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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 09:35 AM


Timely. Very interesting article. I'm waiting for this shoe to drop next.
The Church has ALOT of closets and laundry that can and should be examined.

The '86 film , The Mission is a great depiction of the time.





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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 05:17 PM


ah...i think those sweet old padres loved and cared for the poor savages like a loving parents care for darling retarded children......except for the forced labor,rape, and disease.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 06:09 PM


You are all going to Hell, father David K will be here soon do damn all of you to hell, and clarify the history as He wants it written!
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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 06:24 PM


:light::light::bounce: don't blame David blow hards stir up the pot. Maybe move on something that matters.:bounce::light:
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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 07:09 PM


I wonder what generations will find to criticize us for doing what we think is OK now.

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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 07:12 PM
Amen


Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
:light::light::bounce: don't blame David blow hards stir up the pot. Maybe move on something that matters.:bounce::light:


Well said, Larry.

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Oh, wait, it already happened today....
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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 07:39 PM


of course it was slavery - whatever name you use for it
making the Baja indians dependent on mission grown food was as bad as giving US indians free alcohol
just another textbook manipulation by the master race

makes you wonder how many little indian boys have been introduced to "god's will" by the priests


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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 08:13 PM


All ture or not better worry about what your doing tomorrow. Then what non blow hards did before we where born.:bounce:
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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 08:23 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
All ture or not better worry about what your doing tomorrow. Then what non blow hards did before we where born.:bounce:


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[*] posted on 6-22-2020 at 08:37 PM


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[*] posted on 6-23-2020 at 04:15 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Salsa  
I wonder what future generations will find to criticize us for doing what we think is OK now.


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[*] posted on 6-23-2020 at 07:01 AM


Indians were indoctrinated at Missions and in doing so, their labor contributed to the work while they were abused, they contributed to their own demise. It is wrong that abuses occurred, Indians suffered from aggressions from the Missionaries and from invading pirates and cowboys too along with Mestizos.

Indians did have their own military and some fought back, the Missionary engagement with indigenous doesn't entirely define the region or people, it represents an era of conquest in a region that was beautiful, yet, barren, harsh, and difficult to survive.

There has always existed mobility and immigration, people came and left. Indigenous went north and eventually Missions were abandoned by order.

Today there exists a large population of Indian Nations in the southwest of USA and Northern Mexico, including Seri, Yaqui and many many more Nations. Missionaries still are perceived as intolerant, dogmatic, hypocrites, who continue to prosthelytize in a nonsensical manner today, arriving with gifts, once accepted and opened by children, the Missionaries explain to the children they are going to hell unless they choose a new god, now it's Jesus over God, versus God over Jesus, just a click of the Trinity on its axis, to tweak the plebes.

There is something to be learned from both the experience of the Indigenous and Missionaries, relevant to today, a life lived without thoughtful critical introspection, spirituality and self analysis, will cause you fall to the impulse of others.

Failing to fight to maintain your spirituality, morality, ethics, in your community, while respecting your own beliefs and others too, failing to fight for survival against invaders, usurpers, you will be abused, used and eventually destroyed, if you allow others to take over your land, community and way of life.

Today, we are in a similar state, in the very same Mission locations, our communities are under attack, by spiritual usurpers claiming eminent domain, globalists, attempting to take control of our National local lands and resources while destroying community with lies, tricks, illness, gifts, for their own benefit of control and wealth. Today is the day to learn from the plight of Indians, Mestizos, Missionaries, and fight back against theological and cultural invaders disguised as health missionaries attempting to take over our health, land, resources and destroy our community.

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[*] posted on 6-23-2020 at 04:27 PM
Honest Injun ?


Those Papist Padres were tight with their Wampum, spoke with forked tongues and weren't really Kemosabes looking to peaceably Powwow?

For shame ! Whoda thunk ?

I can't say what others may, but I'll not be looking favorably upon any of those monstrous monks should I run across one.

Just goes to show .............. Never trust a father figure dressed in a dress.

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[*] posted on 6-24-2020 at 03:07 AM


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[*] posted on 6-24-2020 at 05:51 AM


If any of you have a interest in slavery of indignas Indians in Mexico you should read Barbarous Mexico by John Kenneth Turner.Published 1909 .A real eye opener
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[*] posted on 6-24-2020 at 06:04 AM


thanks sjsam, I'll check it out
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[*] posted on 6-24-2020 at 11:10 AM


Goat, you should write headlines for Yahoo. Not quite click bait, but not quite accurate either.

I would say that the Indians in the late missionary period in Alta California that this article references were not slaves, at least in the economic sense, in that they were not bought and sold as private property. It was more a case of "Beat the devil out of them".

Actually, the indigenous of Mexico under the Spanish system ultimately fared better than the Indians in the United States. In the US, colonized by married Englishmen, the natives were rounded up and herded on to reservations. In Mexico, colonized by Spanish soldiers, the young single men, as young single men are prone to do, noticed the beauty of the native women and created a vigorous new race, that of the mestizo. Thus, in evolutionary terms, the Indians of Mexico passed on their genes to millions upon millions of offspring, an evolutionary success.



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[*] posted on 6-24-2020 at 12:51 PM


Thanks for the reference to the book Shsam - can I ask how you came across it?



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[*] posted on 6-25-2020 at 05:20 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
of course it was slavery - whatever name you use for it
making the Baja indians dependent on mission grown food was as bad as giving US indians free alcohol



[Edited on 6-23-2020 by 4x4abc]


I wonder if this applies to the modern welfare state?
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