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RFClark
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“ As a couple people have pointed out, on the far right side of the chart for weekly number of deaths it drops way off; fewer total deaths. To me
this indicates that the spike in deaths in April / May were people who would have died pretty soon anyway, and they checked out a couple months
early.”
That spike probably represents exactly that. Those were the people in care facilities who weren’t in good health to begin with and died as a result
of NY and NJ turning the Virus loose in those facilities. If you invert that spike and place it in the current trough it looks like they will cancel
each other out. That means there might not be much or any increase in overall deaths from this Virus. Only time will tell!
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surabi
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What is it with you people banging on about herd immunity? There has been zero, ZERO scientific evidence to suggest that having this virus confers any
immunity whatsoever. In fact, they've found that antibodies shown in those who have had it decrease significantly in a short period of time. And no
proof at all that even those who show antibodies can't get re-infected.
Talking about herd immunity in reference to COVID is ignorant nonsense based upon nothing but something some other ignorant person determined to
ignore scientific findings said or wrote.
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mtgoat666
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El Centro is totally over-run with pandemic...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/us/california-coronavirus-imp...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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John Harper
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I agree.
John
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pacificobob
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pauldavidmena
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You might say herd stupidity is contagious.
I'm here all week. Try the fish tacos.
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mtgoat666
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A virologist, an epidemiologist and a scientist walk into a bar...
Of course they didn’t
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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[Edited on 7-10-2020 by BajaNomad]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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caj13
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Covid Deaths actually underestimated
So I'm sure Gnuey and his minions heads will explode. But here is the actual science, the data, then analysis, the techniques used - etc. Turns
out a careful, well thought out, well supported analysis of the data shows the number of deaths being underestimated.
If you have issues with the claims made in the paper - why vent here? why not email the corresponding author
Dr. Weinberger at Yale, and explain to him how they got it all wrong?
His contact info is right in the paper
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
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gnukid
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News Flash
Everyone is dying all the time
Go Out
Enjoy Fresh Air, Sunshine, Get Exercise
Today Is Your Day
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"So two people I know felt like chit so they made appointments to have the test. They felt better after 2 days so they canceled their appointment and
never took the test. A week later they both recieved a positive result in the mail. WTF is that? I wonder how often this is happening. Has anyone else
heard of this happening?"
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Alan
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Unfortunately I have difficulty believing any of these reports. Everyone has an agenda so I don't think an honest answer can be found when all of the
inputs have been skewed.
In Memory of E-57
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caj13
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | | "So two people I know felt like chit so they made appointments to have the test. They felt better after 2 days so they canceled their appointment and
never took the test. A week later they both recieved a positive result in the mail. WTF is that? I wonder how often this is happening. Has anyone else
heard of this happening?" |
Right!!!!!!
Medical Malpractice, get me the mail they received, or a scan of them, and we will go after the providers, and demand they be prosecuted.
We really don't like liars around here - at least most of us don't!
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | News Flash
Everyone is dying all the time
Go Out
Enjoy Fresh Air, Sunshine, Get Exercise
Today Is Your Day |
I get it Gnuey - This data and science crap, it absolutely sucks when it exposes your personal beliefs for what they are - right!
and last time I checked, not "everyone is dying all the time"
some of us are living every day, and wish to continue doing so, we have no interest in our lives being cut short by some D-Bag who thinks they have
some sort of right to infect others with potentially deadly diseases!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | News Flash
Everyone is dying all the time
Go Out
Enjoy Fresh Air, Sunshine, Get Exercise
Today Is Your Day |
I get it Gnuey - This data and science crap, it absolutely sucks when it exposes your personal beliefs for what they are - right!
and last time I checked, not "everyone is dying all the time"
some of us are living every day, and wish to continue doing so, we have no interest in our lives being cut short by some D-Bag who thinks they have
some sort of right to infect others with potentially deadly diseases! |
Gnukid paul is 50 year old man with a trust fund and teenage girlfriend, he doesnt care about you over the hill boomers in the covid19 risk
category...
Selfish middle-aged children, like paul, cannot be reasoned with; like the children they are, they defend themselves with nonsensical logic...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Barry A.
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Hmmmm, Gnukid has a "teenage girlfriend"??? Can't be that bad then, unless she is under 18, I suppose.
------and Goat-------you gotta problem with "Trust Funds"?
The Goat is ALWAYS such a nice guy--------we love you, Goat.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | "So two people I know felt like chit so they made appointments to have the test. They felt better after 2 days so they canceled their appointment and
never took the test. A week later they both recieved a positive result in the mail. WTF is that? I wonder how often this is happening. Has anyone else
heard of this happening?" |
Right!!!!!!
Medical Malpractice, get me the mail they received, or a scan of them, and we will go after the providers, and demand they be prosecuted.
We really don't like liars around here - at least most of us don't! |
I'll post something for you later that will open your eyes.
It's an audio recording of a guy who processes claims for hospitals. I need to upload it.
BTW, the guy that wrote the above is a very wealthy guy who lives in Pacific Palisades. Not a bullchiter by any stretch.
[Edited on 7-18-2020 by JZ]
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Hook
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If someone has a financial incentive to do so, "facts" will be twisted.
Doesn't really matter which side of the coin. But the coin is the incentive.
The adherents from both sides can be easily led along the path, unfortunately.
I believe the number of deaths are underestimated, especially in Mexico. Early on, in the US, too, before tests were more wide spread. Why test
someone who has died, when the tests were hard to acquire?
I have heard several reports of local docs and top rate hospitals in the area I own in, in Mexico, who are supposedly returning results in THREE
HOURS!!! In all cases, the results of the test determined whether other monetary-related procedures would be allowed IF the results were
negative....uh, positive for the person performing the monetary-relate procedure and/or the recipient of the procedure.
Don't believe ANY statistics you hear about the virus in Mexico. I know doctors down there who say it's completely bogus.
[Edited on 7-19-2020 by Hook]
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | If someone has a financial incentive to do so, "facts" will be twisted.
Doesn't really matter which side of the coin. But the coin is the incentive.
The adherents from both sides can be easily led along the path, unfortunately.
I believe the number of deaths are underestimated, especially in Mexico. Early on, in the US, too, before tests were more wide spread. Why test
someone who has died, when the tests were hard to acquire?
I have heard several reports of local docs and top rate hospitals in the area I own in Mexico who are supposedly returning results in THREE HOURS!!!
In all cases, the results of the test determined whether other monetary-related procedures would be allowed IF the results were negative....uh,
positive for the person performing the monetary-relate procedure and/or the recipient of the procedure.
[Edited on 7-19-2020 by Hook] |
Yep.
Hospitals have lost all their elective procedure revenue.
They get $13-14K for handling Covid cases, much more for ICU's.
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AKgringo
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There are two hospitals in Nevada County (CA), and right now they have 0 active covid19 patients. Increased testing has resulted in a five fold
increase in reported cases, but they are not showing up in the hospital, or the morgue!
Here is a link, if you are curious about my source; https://mynevadacounty.com/2924/Coronavirus
The data is updated daily, except the number of tests performed, which is done weekly on Monday
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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