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If people want to play russian roulette with their lives that's their business. Those who got vaccinated are safe regardles what those people do. They
only spread the disease among themselves. It's not a race between countries. It looks like Fox is now promoting vaccination and that's a good thing.
The nonvaccinators don't care what Fauci says.
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  |
I've been wondering why the rules about masks and gatherings don't take age into consideration. Everybody over 65 and others who are health
compromised in some way need to be more cautious than young healthy adults.
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A senior wearing a mask doesn't help himself very much. It helps others from getting it from him.
The mask is an all or nothing thing. There needs to be unity. Vaccination on the other hand protects individuals. That's how I see it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
If people want to play russian roulette with their lives that's their business. Those who got vaccinated are safe regardles what those people do. They
only spread the disease among themselves. |
That's not 100% true. People that get infected enable the virus to mutate while they are sick. Perhaps mutate in such a way that the current vaccines
no longer work. The idea is to vaccinate enough people to the point the vaccine dies out before such a mutation occurs. To the point where it is gone.
Like polio, smallpox, and other viruses that modern medicine has eliminated.
[Edited on 7-21-2021 by SFandH]
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
If people want to play russian roulette with their lives that's their business. Those who got vaccinated are safe regardles what those people do. They
only spread the disease among themselves. |
The idea is to vaccinate enough people to the point the vaccine dies out before such a mutation occurs.
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That train left the station. It's unlikely to ever happen. Ged's link talks about boosters and yearly innoculations.
To your point. The smaller the pool of carriers the longer it will take for new mutants to develop and we can stay ahead of the curve.
As I stated earlier: infections come from overseas and we have no control over their vaccinations.
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Yeah, I see your point. It sounds a bit fatalistic, maybe rightly so. One thing is for sure, the unvaccinated people are now gaining immunity the hard
way.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Yeah, I see your point. It sounds a bit fatalistic, maybe rightly so. One thing is for sure, the unvaccinated people are now gaining immunity the hard
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Have you seen the worldmeter data for UK and Israel? It's kind of interesting. Both countries had their vaccinations done early and thoroughly. UK has
a case load as high as it was at its peak but the death numbers have remained really small. Israel has remained low for both active cases and deaths.
To me this suggests that Pfizer is a much better vaccine than Astra Zeneca. Unfortunately I suspect the Pfizer numbers will rise as well.
BTW, I had a Pfizer vaccine in the States after 2 doses of Sinovac (Chinese) in Baja and it kicked my ass. I barely had a reaction with Sinovac.
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Covid?
That is a Commie lie.
Party on Los Cabos!
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
If people want to play russian roulette with their lives that's their business. Those who got vaccinated are safe regardles what those people do. They
only spread the disease among themselves. |
That's not 100% true. People that get infected enable the virus to mutate while they are sick. Perhaps mutate in such a way that the current vaccines
no longer work. The idea is to vaccinate enough people to the point the vaccine dies out before such a mutation occurs. To the point where it is gone.
Like polio, smallpox, and other viruses that modern medicine has eliminated.
[Edited on 7-21-2021 by SFandH] |
BINGO! You hit the nail on the head and are exactly correct.
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BCS Numbers updated through 7/20.
[Edited on 9-5-2021 by BajaNomad]
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July 21 (Reuters) - Life expectancy in the United States fell by a year and a half in 2020 to 77.3 years, the lowest level since 2003, primarily due
to the deaths caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, a U.S. health agency said on Wednesday.
It is the biggest one-year decline since World War Two, when life expectancy fell 2.9 years between 1942 and 1943, and is six months shorter than its
February 2021 estimate, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Haven't seen any recent posts on the trend of the Covid growth in La Paz. Anyone got the site to link to for that info? We seem to have fallen into
the politics trap again. |
It would be nice to pretend politics were not an issue with pandemic management....but the two issues are inseparable.
"Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in
groups, or other forms of power relations between individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status. The branch of social science that
studies politics and government is referred to as political science."
[Edited on 7-22-2021 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Haven't seen any recent posts on the trend of the Covid growth in La Paz. Anyone got the site to link to for that info? We seem to have fallen into
the politics trap again. |
There are currently 838 active cases (hospitalizations) in La Paz.
Ten days ago there were 828, double the number of mid-June. Looks like the delta wave is leveling off. The peak was 1476 last August.
Current data.
https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/
I don't think politics is an issue in Mexico when it comes to the pandemic. This thread should be clear of American politics.
[Edited on 7-22-2021 by SFandH]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck |
Thanks for the update. We are monitoring this site hoping to plan to drive down. Seems we are on hold yet again due to continued land border closures.
REALLY missing the chance to get back to the La Paz area and get settled in. |
I post a spreadsheet every week or so that I've been keeping for over a year. It shows historical hospitalization data for the entire peninsula.
It quickly gets buried with opinion posts.
BTW, I'm not sure the peak was 1476. I spend the winter in BCS and I don't have easy access to the Internet. When I do get online I quickly take care
of personal stuff and don't update the spreadsheet. The number was probably higher last winter.
[Edited on 7-22-2021 by SFandH]
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I'll post an updated version after the noise dies down.
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An Alabama physician glumly says she is making "a lot of progress" in encouraging people to vaccinate – as she struggles to keep them alive.
Dr. Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote in a recent Facebook post she is treating a lot of young,
otherwise healthy people for serious coronavirus infections.
"One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine," she wrote. "I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but
it's too late.
"In her post, Cobia wrote that when a patient dies, she hugs their family members and urges them to get vaccinated. She said they cry and tell her
they thought the pandemic was a "hoax," or "political," or targeting some other age group or skin color.
"They wish they could go back. But they can't," Cobia wrote. "So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. |
They thought it was a hoax. No comments.
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Cultural differences in terms of deaths from COVID - Most Mexican people WILL NOT go to the hospital until they are at death’s door, far past the
point where medical intervention is helpful. Even beyond that, the idea of dying isolated in the hospital is repugnant. People will eschew medical
care to die in the care of family and surrounded by family. My husband’s brother had it, and refused hospital care. He survived, despite
compromised health, but was not going to opt for isolation while ill. This is a deeply embedded cultural value and is the primary reason for high
death rates in Mexico. Read an article discussing this in a newspaper a while ago.
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Here in the US it's a combination of willful ignorance, "owning the libs", lack of common sense, and just plan stupidity. That does seem to be a new
cultural trait in 30% of our citizens, unfortunately.
John
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I know people who won’t get the vaccine, They a living examples of risky behavior: smokers, overweight, sedentary lifestyle. And they worry about a
minuscule risk of vaccine, while living with huge risks of bad lifestyle choices.  people are stupid
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
I know people who won’t get the vaccine, They a living examples of risky behavior: smokers, overweight, sedentary lifestyle. And they worry about a
minuscule risk of vaccine, while living with huge risks of bad lifestyle choices. people are stupid |
You need to find better friends and associates. Everyone I know has gotten it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
I know people who won’t get the vaccine, They a living examples of risky behavior: smokers, overweight, sedentary lifestyle. And they worry about a
minuscule risk of vaccine, while living with huge risks of bad lifestyle choices. people are stupid |
Whereas the ones i know have a history of developing treatments that were not approved until they underwent the full 3 years of testing and then only
after they were subjected to in depth scientific challenges by their peers when they presented them to symposiums and their results came under
critical questioning. Science when it works best welcomes critical questioning, does not attempt to prevent it as we are seeing being applied at
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Did you really want to wait three years for people to start getting vaccinated? Science does know a lot more about molecular biology and drug
development than in the days of Edward Jenner, Alexander Fleming, or even Jonas Salk.
You can bet if Covid left people horribly scarred (smallpox), or partially paralyzed (polio) they'd be standing in line to get vaccinated.
John
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