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gnukid
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Quote: Originally posted by Lee  | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | If you are vaccinated you really should go. If you want stay clear of ppl for extra safety. Life is short and tomorrow is not promised.
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Lets make sense. Paul says he usually goes South in February and is planning for next year. NEXT YEAR? And JZ jumps on it and sez ''you
really should go.'' Go next year?
Hey Paul. It's wishful thinking planning anything right now. You'll really be planning an 11th hour escape at the end of the year or longer.
And then there's the local attitude. Any bets on what the locals in Bocana or Asuncion will think if you show up next week? You guys are a
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How do you know I don't have a place in La Bocana? Quite a few transactions recently...
I live in Mexico and am integrated into the community. If I go north for a visit in Summer, I go south by August or September. because I love the
change of seasons from September to October to November, I really enjoy all the seasonal changes, especially Spring.
A community is made up of people who choose to live in a geographic location, contribute, work together and survive, people who choose to live in La
Bocana will be there working together, visitors who are staying short term will be there working together, some will stay, some will leave and some
will never leave.
The people who choose La Bocano as their home can do whatever they want, they stay inside or go outside, go fishing, surfing, kiteboarding, wing
foiling, off roading, hiking and biking, work on projects and build a house etc.
We know that fresh air and sunshine are among the best immune system boosters.
This pandemic has been a test to know who is truly community, family, loved ones and who is a true friend. I'm sticking with all of the above.
Its time some of you lighten up with the idea that anyone beside yourself is responsible for your health, start now to contribute to both personal and
community health with fresh food farming and enjoy the benefits of community, gardens, and communal cooking.
[Edited on 7-25-2021 by gnukid]
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Apparently Bloomberg agrees with what I wrote before reading it. Vaccines are less effective against the variants, and some people are dumb - they are
supposed to take precautions for 2 weeks after vaccination.
This is the writing by the NVIC founder. An Upside Down Doctor, The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation, and other honorary
titles. I wonder what other useless cr-ap can be found reading through other ghukid links, and am glad that I didn't. Such a waste of time.
[Edited on 7-25-2021 by Alm]
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm |
This is the writing by the NVIC founder. An Upside Down Doctor, The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation, and other honorary
titles. I wonder what other useless cr-ap can be found reading through other ghukid links, and am glad that I didn't. Such a waste of time.
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Make a specific point, highlight your objection, your post is simply emotional expression and does not give anyone any idea what you are objecting to,
or what you think and why. Why not take a moment to make a clear statement to highlight your idea (thesis), with supporting statements, summary and
sourced articles, and drop the emotion.
The topic at hand, is that the CDC/FDA have withdrawn the only test commonly in use for SARS2 in humans, meaning there has never been a valid test I
use for SARS2 in humans. Nor has there been unique isolation of SARS2 from a human, demonstrating it exists and grows, while causing symptoms of
illness.
The vaccine (while not actually vaccine) is experimental, unauthorized, untested on high risk demographics, and has high numbers of adverse affects,
injuries, and deaths without demonstratable efficacy.
The lack of evidence to support the vaccine, in combination with the mounting evidence of fraud, lack of evidenced based decision making,
flip-flopping, ignoring traditional medical best practices in prevention and treatment, have resulted in large numbers of injury and deaths.
[Edited on 7-25-2021 by gnukid]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | One set is about graphene in masks and vaccines. Graphene is a relatively new, exotic material made out of carbon, and the other set is about
breakthrough infections/illnesses.
It's not clear that graphene is something to worry about but breakthrough infections certainly are. |
Some Chinese companies have been known to use graphene. This and other warnings about masks are for people who wear it all day long. Retiree spending
time outdoors in unpopulated area, going indoors only for shopping or doctor's visit, can afford to (and should) use N95 mask. Buy 3M, they are high
standard, no graphene there. I usually air it on the shelf for a few days before putting it on. Get 3, rotate one each day for natural disinfecting -
the virus dies after 40-50 hours on the shelf. Don't carry it in your pocket when not in use, to avoid fibres breaking and bacteria growth - however,
I haven't come up with a good solution other than putting it in a small empty daypack.
About breakthrough cases. If you look at the numbers, there were 600 such cases in the Mass in a week (rise from 4,500 to 5,100). Their daily cases -
mostly among unvaccinated, of course - are 600 a day. Probably was 6,000 a day before they began the vaccination campaign. Possible reason -
variants. Also, some people don't use commons sense, they stop taking precautions right after the 1st shot - nope, it takes 2 weeks for antibodies to
develop. Some were probably infected when they came to get the shot - restrictions have been lifted, people are celebrating, so this is the price.
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Thanks. I appreciate the info and analysis.
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Even vaccinated people are testing positive. Travel could be dangerous to others, especially your MAGA associates. Your choices can endanger others.
That's kind of what this whole thing is about, if you can recall.
John |
Why aren't you following the science? Straight from the CDC website:
"If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did before the pandemic without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where
required by laws, rules, regulations, or local guidance."
The website also says you have a greatly reduced risk of getting Covid if fully vaccinated. And even in the oft chance you do, you are much less
likely to spread it.
You can sit in your basement all you want, but the "science" says there is no reason to do so.
[Edited on 7-26-2021 by JZ]
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Seems to me that whether or not the pandemic is improving or worsening can change significantly in a matter of a couple of weeks. Any guidance about
proper behavior can quickly become out-of-date.
Even though the phrase is overused, I'll use it, "an abundance of caution" is wise.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
Even vaccinated people are testing positive. Travel could be dangerous to others, especially your MAGA associates. Your choices can endanger others.
That's kind of what this whole thing is about, if you can recall.
John |
Why aren't you following the science? Straight from the CDC website:
"If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did before the pandemic without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where
required by laws, rules, regulations, or local guidance."
The website also says you have a greatly reduced risk of getting Covid if fully vaccinated. And even in the oft chance you do, you are much less
likely to spread it.
You can sit in your basement all you want, but the "science" says there is no reason to do so.
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hold the presses....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-cdc-mask-mandate-155642381....
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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How covid19 virus changes in response to vaccines
Viral immune evasion: a masterpiece of evolution
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12439615/
How The Covid-19 Virus Changes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/01/06/how...
Neutralising antibodies in Spike mediated SARS-CoV-2 adaptation
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.05.20241927v...
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | If you are vaccinated you really should go. If you want stay clear of ppl for extra safety. Life is short and tomorrow is not promised.
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Even vaccinated people are testing positive. Travel could be dangerous to others, especially your MAGA associates. Your choices can endanger others.
That's kind of what this whole thing is about, if you can recall.
Your purchase of gas, a few fish tacos, and measly 5% tipping will not save the Mexican, American, nor world economy. Eradicating covid will.
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My wife and I are both fully vaccinated, but the reports of breakthrough infection has us a bit on edge. We live on Cape Cod, where the annual influx
of summer tourists, combined with the Delta variant, is driving a surge in positive tests. We have been following the CDC guidelines as far as no
longer wearing masks, returning to restaurants and music venues (both outdoors), etc., but naturally I'd feel more confident if the trends improved.
The same caution, if not more, will guide our decision about visiting Baja in February. Winters in New England can be pretty brutal, but Covid even
more so.
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pauldavidmena
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | If you are vaccinated you really should go. If you want stay clear of ppl for extra safety. Life is short and tomorrow is not promised.
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Lets make sense. Paul says he usually goes South in February and is planning for next year. NEXT YEAR? And JZ jumps on it and sez ''you
really should go.'' Go next year?
Hey Paul. It's wishful thinking planning anything right now. You'll really be planning an 11th hour escape at the end of the year or longer.
And then there's the local attitude. Any bets on what the locals in Bocana or Asuncion will think if you show up next week? You guys are a
riot. |
We usually try to make our plans six months in advance, which puts us in a bit of a bind when current conditions look so discouraging. To count on the
trend to reverse seems like quite the gamble. Winning that bet would be awesome; losing - not so much.
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26 Jul 2021 - Active Cases in Hospital
Data Sources:
BC - http://www.bajacalifornia.gob.mx/coronavirus - not updated
BC - new data source -
Comisión Estatal de Servicios Públicos de Tijuana -
https://m.facebook.com/CesptOficial/
BCS - https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/
"active cases are those that are two weeks old and can be contagious today. This is known by laboratory tests of people who go to hospitals."
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/2020/04/30/conferencia-30-de-abri...
Note: There's a break in the data between fall 2020 and spring 2021. That's when I'm on the beach on Bahia Concepcion.
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Simple - 99.5% COVID deaths are unvaccinated
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I kinda like the situation.
At least this time the dumb and stubborn leave the gene pool.
There is little collateral damage and the balance looks good.
Harald Pietschmann
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | I kinda like the situation.
At least this time the dumb and stubborn leave the gene pool.
There is little collateral damage and the balance looks good. |
Like the unicorns that refused to board the Ark.
John
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i often wonder if those choosing to not get vaccinated are as conscious in other health areas..... alcohol, soft drinks, preservatives, non organic
foods?
like those health nuts in Arkansas and Florida?
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Let's try to answer some basic Baja Nomad questions:
FDA/CDC declared PCR RT test is not valid due to false positives and inability to identify isolated covid19, then what is a case? Is a case a phone
call, Evaluation? Symptoms? Flu?
Moderna, Pfizer, AstroZenica, J&J each state there injections use various methods to inset synthetic mRNA to provoke AI modeled spike production,
and that will hopefully provoke antibody production, which is the toxin resulting in cellular degradation, forever, but, the shots do not reduce
infection, reduce transmission, or reduce severe symptoms, the benefit f the vaccine according to manufacturers study is "some people may experience
reduced mild symptoms"?
The shots are unapproved, emergency use, experimental, there is no standard of production, quality control, no insert guidelines, unknown
ingredients, no tracking or testing of outcome and efficacy? Worse, thousands have died within days and many more are injured?
Naturally infected and recuperated have the highest known form of immunity to future similar corona infections and variants and share that with others
through contact?
Why are fully vaccinated people who have limited immunity, hyper focused on unvaccinated who are naturally recuperated with the best form immunity
that exists, yet they are being restricted, discriminated, and isolated?
What iare the arguments to support broad vaccine use of these types with children, pregnant women, and those at risk? Or for anyone?
Why are those who are vaccinated preoccupied with those who are infected and recuperated now with the highest immunity?
Adverse effects from these vaccines are widespread? Yet, there is broad effort to deny these adverse effects as relevant, of concern, or worth
investigation, while many vaccinated people are injured and many vaccinated who are subsequently hospitalized and die?
What are so many young people suffering serious thrombosis injury and death following the shots? While identified and admitted, the promotion to
inject these high risk demographics continues while no benefit is derived for adolescents and young adults?
If you got vaccinated and you feel protected with confidence it is the right thing for you, why are you concerned with those who are are recuperated
and will remain unvaccinated because it would not be a benefit and is a high risk?
Why is the promotion of vacciine so convoluted, with so many conflicts, fallacy, while the issues of risk versus benefit are not addressed?
Why is there no medical prevention and treatment protocol communicated by CDC/FDA/WHO, while so many options exist with long term success and low
risk? Isn't failure to provide known treatment medical malpractice?
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | i often wonder if those choosing to not get vaccinated are as conscious in other health areas..... alcohol, soft drinks, preservatives, non organic
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like those health nuts in Arkansas and Florida?
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believers are especially at risk (religion, yoga, alt medicine etc) of following doubt based advice that is good for them
those who trust (in science, reason etc) are likely to do something that is good for all
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guys like him should rot in jail:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola...
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JZ that was a great comeback wish I could think as fast as you. 
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"COVID-19 infections are increasing in Mexico, with 12,856 new infections reported on average each day. That’s 73% of the peak — the highest daily
average reported on January 20."
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...
I've recently started keeping track of the "% of the peak" number. Today it is at 73%. On 19 July, one week ago it was 56%. That's quite a jump.
The US has jumped from 13% to 23% in the same time period.
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