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JZ
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Are you calling 62% of Blacks and Hispanics in the US "willfully ignorant?"
Be careful.
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  |
What are the arguments to support broad vaccine use of these CV synthetic mRNA types in children, pregnant women, and those seniors at high risk? Or
for anyone?
What are the risks to the CV vaccines, what benefits do they provide?
Why are those who are vaccinated preoccupied with those who are infected and recuperated now with the highest immunity?
Why are adverse effects from these vaccines so widespread?
Why are so many low risk young people suffering serious thrombosis injury and death following the shots?
What benefit is derived for adolescents and young adults in taking the vaccine?
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You have a lot of questions.
I have one for you, just one.
What can you conclude about the effectiveness of the vaccines knowing about 50% of the population is vaccinated and 95% of the COVID hospitalizations
are people in the other 50% who are unvaccinated?
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gnukid
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Why does the RT PCR test for the spike protein that the vaccine amplifies and not the SARS2 virus?
Why is that there is no test for SARS2 that produces a valid result after all this time?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Are you calling 62% of Blacks and Hispanics in the US "willfully ignorant?"
Be careful.
[Edited on 7-30-2021 by JZ] |
I will break this down into paragraphs for those challenged by reading without moving their lips or running their finger along the line:
Maybe a matter of both.... as the word "perhaps" allows both factors to be considered.
Some folks don't break things down into an "either/or" view of phenomena.
[Edited on 7-30-2021 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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Just took a quick look at the BC and BCS active case numbers. They are higher than last week. I'll post all the numbers Monday.
Not good for our baja friends. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Just took a quick look at the BC and BCS active case numbers. They are higher than last week. I'll post all the numbers Monday.
Not good for our baja friends.
[Edited on 7-30-2021 by SFandH] |
If folks pay attention to world news, The Delta surge is happening globally with the 4th surge well underway.
Restrictions recently lifted is a BAD MOVE.... this fall and winter is going to be a bugger.
Vaccinated folks can transmit the Delta variant as well as unvaccinated is what I am seeing reported.
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
If folks pay attention to world news, The Delta surge is happening globally with the 4th surge well underway.
Restrictions recently lifted is a BAD MOVE.... this fall and winter is going to be a bugger.
Vaccinated folks can transmit the Delta variant as well as unvaccinated is what I am seeing reported. |
Where I live (Cape Cod) there was a recent spike in infections in Provincetown. It seems that 3/4 of the positive tests were from vaccinated people,
although early indications are that most symptoms are mild or non-existent. Nevertheless I feel that the zeal to return to normal might be more
related to the seasonal economy than science.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena |
Where I live (Cape Cod) there was a recent spike in infections in Provincetown. It seems that 3/4 of the positive tests were from vaccinated people,
although early indications are that most symptoms are mild or non-existent. Nevertheless I feel that the zeal to return to normal might be more
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Yes, and yes. Lifting the restrictions was not based on science, and Cape Cod data do show that vaccinated can get infected and spread the virus,
however they have lower risk of hospitalization or death.
Hospitalization rates are 3 times higher among states that have fully vaccinated less than half of their residents, compared to the those that have
vaccinated more than half of their residents.
Daily death rate is 2.5 times higher among the states that vaccinated less than half of their residents, compared to those who vaccinated more than
half.
Nation-wide, daily cases are also 2.5 lower among the states who vaccinated more than half, notwithstanding local outbreaks like Cape Cod.
Florida has the highest current hospitalization rate, and less than 49% of the state's population is fully vaccinated.
Vermont has the lowest current hospitalization rate and the highest vaccination rate 67%.
Analysis of John Hopkins data
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Just took a quick look at the BC and BCS active case numbers. They are higher than last week. I'll post all the numbers Monday.
Not good for our baja friends.
[Edited on 7-30-2021 by SFandH] |
If folks pay attention to world news, The Delta surge is happening globally with the 4th surge well underway.
Restrictions recently lifted is a BAD MOVE.... this fall and winter is going to be a bugger.
Vaccinated folks can transmit the Delta variant as well as unvaccinated is what I am seeing reported. |
And we have students going back to indoor, closed window classrooms with 20 or 30 people in close proximity. What percentage of school kids are
vaccinated?
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Take a look around and a step back
Vast implications of Covid ...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/political-violence-related-to-covid-19-could-lead-to-unravelling-of-societies-worldwide-observers-say-1.6122381
Don't believe everything you think....
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If they are doing their job right, trends of the last 2 weeks are not reliable. It takes time to process the tests and collect and enter the data.
Here is the diagram of confirmed cases - not active cases: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/. Click on the state, see the bar graph on the right. By default it opens compressed to the last 2 weeks and
always looks like declining cases, ignore this period. Move the left slider all the way to the left.
Right now we should be looking at the period ending July 16 - there is definitely an increase in Baja Sur and a weak upward trend in Baja, barely any
trend at all.
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Yeah, but in South Africa people are desperate because of the shortage of food and vaccine, while in the US "...strong sense of COVID denialism
present in [those] protests, a sense that COVID was a product of nefarious international forces — Bill Gates, George Soros and others".
Here in Canada the areas with the highest case numbers were big cities like Toronto (makes sense, high population density), and Alberta province - no
big cities there but plenty of oil rigs, stampedes and protesters.
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Just took a quick look at the BC and BCS active case numbers. They are higher than last week. I'll post all the numbers Monday.
Not good for our baja friends.
[Edited on 7-30-2021 by SFandH] |
If folks pay attention to world news, The Delta surge is happening globally with the 4th surge well underway.
Restrictions recently lifted is a BAD MOVE.... this fall and winter is going to be a bugger.
Vaccinated folks can transmit the Delta variant as well as unvaccinated is what I am seeing reported. |
Yeah, you're right. But I still think we're far better off than a year ago. We're ahead of the curve now and don't have our backs against the wall.
The pharmaceuticals have time to develop new vaccines and even cures while the old vaccines are still fairly effective. Perhaps a booster of even the
same vaccine will add time.
Personally I feel we've been too flexible with non-vaccinators. Unless you have a medical reason not to get vaccinated you should be required to do
so. No more about my rights being violated. We're dealing with a pandemic for goshsakes. We've kind of created our own by begging and cajoling people
into being vaccinated. Anyway, that's my opinion.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Personally I feel we've been too flexible with non-vaccinators. Unless you have a medical reason not to get vaccinated you should be required to do
so. No more about my rights being violated. We're dealing with a pandemic for goshsakes. We've kind of created our own by begging and cajoling people
into being vaccinated. Anyway, that's my opinion. |
You are nuts. The unvaccinated have far less confidence in the vaccines today than they did a week ago.
You definitely can't read the room.
The CDC is butchering the messaging.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm |
If they are doing their job right, trends of the last 2 weeks are not reliable. It takes time to process the tests and collect and enter the data.
Here is the diagram of confirmed cases - not active cases: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/. Click on the state, see the bar graph on the right. By default it opens compressed to the last 2 weeks and
always looks like declining cases, ignore this period. Move the left slider all the way to the left.
Right now we should be looking at the period ending July 16 - there is definitely an increase in Baja Sur and a weak upward trend in Baja, barely any
trend at all.
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Interesting web page. Good data presentation. The BC / BCS accumulated trend lines with the date slider to the left are quite different with BCS
showing a significant positive slope and BC almost flat. The influx of summer-time vacationers to Los Cabos is probably the reason.
I wonder what the percentages are for fly-in Los Cabos / La Paz vacationers from other parts of Mexico vs. vacationers from the US. Does anybody have
a feel for that?
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
And we have students going back to indoor, closed window classrooms with 20 or 30 people in close proximity. What percentage of school kids are
vaccinated?
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Our schools start again on the 17th. I'm already assuming masking will be required by our district once again. Most our district employees have been
vaccinated from what I've heard. We shall see.
John
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You all are funny. Is this the way all you senior citizens behave and speak to each other in person? Worse than high school. This site has really
gone down hill in the past couple years. Desperately need some "new blood" to join this site... like 45 years old and younger. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by drzura | You all are funny. Is this the way all you senior citizens behave and speak to each other in person? Worse than high school. This site has really
gone down hill in the past couple years. Desperately need some "new blood" to join this site... like 45 years old and younger.
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You think one can't be an idiot at 45 and younger? 
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I'd say almost the entire the world thinks 45 was an idiot.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Quote: Originally posted by drzura | You all are funny. Is this the way all you senior citizens behave and speak to each other in person? Worse than high school. This site has really
gone down hill in the past couple years. Desperately need some "new blood" to join this site... like 45 years old and younger.
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You think one can't be an idiot at 45 and younger? |
Sure they can... but I would say that all the banter that goes back and forth on this site typically comes from 4 or 5 members who are part of the
more "mature" crowd. Of the 27 pages for this thread, 1 page may be of useful information while the 26 other pages are banter going back and forth
between these 4 or 5 people. It would be nice to have a fresh outlook on Baja perspectives and topics. To do that you need new members to join this
site. There are many people who travel back and forth who can share their experiences and adventures.
I think in general, this website has grown stale and boring. By that, I mean the front-end user interface has not changed much, if at all, since I
have become a member, back in 2006. I believe a "refreshed" dynamic front end user interface could draw more interest and traffic to this site. Lots
of other possibilities too.
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