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Barry A.
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To me, it's all a matter of your personal experience and assessment of "risk"-------is it more risky (to you and other's) when you have already
survived a bout of Covid-19, (or like me possibly survived 2 episodes of Covid) resulting in having confirmed natural-anti-bodies, to "risk" having
yet another episode of Covid or to "risk" having a really bad (killing?) reaction to getting vaccinated with a somewhat experimental new vaccine that
is significantly different than other known vaccines..
It's a very personal choice, and you should stay away from other's until you are sure you made the right choice.
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Bajazly
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So... What? We all run out and lick as many door knobs and toilet seats as possible... and give this chit to everyone?
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
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Van der Waals forces?
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.htm...
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So many "smart" people out there.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/1035986659/idahos-hospitals-a...
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Quote: Originally posted by Lee  | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Not sure where you get your news, everywhere in the news I see legal pushback to experimental vaccines, mandates, passports etc.
USPS won't take vaccines, CDC doesn't require it, Pfizer doesn't require it, Portugal says there is no evidence of covid and ended all mandates, just
like Alberta, UK says no vaccine mandate or passports, Denmark says there is no pandemic and therefore no restrictions or mandates.
[Edited on 9-12-2021 by gnukid] |
Who cares? US should have mandatory vaccine. Period.
Mandatory masks in schools. Period.
You are out of touch, Paul, and won't ask where you get your news. Your conspiracy theories make my head spin. You have no creditability here.
Take responsibility for your words. And those who follow your advice and end up sick. Any remorse? |
Yep. 8000 people dead from Covid yesterday alone in the world. If there was a vaccine in those arm’s most would still be with us.
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In my rural area of north central Washington, the emergency rooms are full, and 100% of the Covid patients are unvaccinated. My friend is an
emergency room nurse, and she cried as she related to us that two days ago they lost their first non-Covid patient that they could otherwise have
saved if the beds were not already taken by non-vaccinated Covid patients.
To those who say "screw you, it's my personal choice, you can't tell me what to do", screw you on behalf of the those who die for your selfishness and
their families, and on behalf of the healthcare workers you continue to traumatize.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by TSThornton | | In my rural area of north central Washington, the emergency rooms are full, and 100% of the Covid patients are unvaccinated. |
I just read a news story explaining that hospitals in Washington state are taking Idaho residents who refuse to get vaccinated. Idaho hospitals are
also full of unvaccinated COVID patients and in both states, non-COVID patients are not getting needed care.
Choosing to not get vaccinated is illogical, reckless behavior endangering the lives of others.
This is getting beyond personal choice.
[Edited on 9-13-2021 by SFandH]
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Barry A.
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Hmmmm, perhaps we should start compiling a list of all people that should be banned from entering a Hospital due to their "reckless" and "stupid"
behavior------people over weight, any illegal drug user, reckless drivers, people with untreated high blood pressure that have a heart attack, drunk
drivers, ----just for a start.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Hmmmm, perhaps we should start compiling a list of all people that should be banned from entering a Hospital due to their "reckless" and "stupid"
behavior------people over weight, any illegal drug user, reckless drivers, people with untreated high blood pressure that have a heart attack, drunk
drivers, ----just for a start. |
I find it strange that one would choose to be lumped to this group of people.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Hmmmm, perhaps we should start compiling a list of all people that should be banned from entering a Hospital due to their "reckless" and "stupid"
behavior------people over weight, any illegal drug user, reckless drivers, people with untreated high blood pressure that have a heart attack, drunk
drivers, ----just for a start. |
Oh, the slippery slope argument. Is there any evidence that what you suggest will happen?
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Barry A., no one said "ban". The hospitals are doing their best to provide care to everyone, but they can't. But my friend is entirely entitled to
tell that guy in the emergency room "You made your choice and you may or may not die, but you need to know that if you would have just gotten the damn
vaccine, that person out in the hallway would be alive and now she's not." And that person deserves everything that comes to him, the same as a drunk
diver that harms others.
Your list is irrelevant to this conversation. Many of those things are illegal and they would be prosecuted. Many are common ills the system is
designed to handle at the rate they currently occur. But a big difference is, by and large, when the doctor tells those people (if they live) they
should consider some lifestyle chagnes to avoid causing harm to themselves or others in the future, that doctor doesn't hear "EFF YOU, HOAX, YOU CAN"T
TELL ME WHAT TO DO, GOVERMENT CONTROL!" This is wacked.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Hmmmm, perhaps we should start compiling a list of all people that should be banned from entering a Hospital due to their "reckless" and "stupid"
behavior------people over weight, any illegal drug user, reckless drivers, people with untreated high blood pressure that have a heart attack, drunk
drivers, ----just for a start. |
I'm in favor with above except for a few examples. It's sad that hospitals can't turn away infected ppl who haven't been vaxxed. Wouldn't
bother me if triage were implemented. Triage involves prioritizing ppl -- save people who can be saved.
Mentally, that's what hospital workers are doing. Infected patients are judged on seriousness and survivability. Cut losses and move on.
Obese, alcoholics end of the line.
Sounds great to me.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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SFandH
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Yeah, sure, but this is different. We're in a viral pandemic now. As the mutation that resulted in the delta variant proves, things can change from
getting better (June) to getting much worse (July) real quick. If a mutation occurs that is highly infectious AND evades antibodies caused by
vaccinations and previous infection, we're right back to square one.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more sick infected people there are, and the higher the risk of a new deadly mutation. This is the biggest
reason for quick action. The unvaccinated people are not only putting themselves at risk. They're putting you and me at risk.
[Edited on 9-13-2021 by SFandH]
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SFandH
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An argument against mandates put forth yesterday by Asa Hutchinson, the governor of Arkansas, on a Sunday morning TV talk show is that the mandates
will cause the anti-vaxxers to dig in their heals. Maybe so, fine, so be it. I bet the mandates will cause many, many more people to be vaccinated.
Good! That's the objective.
Let the truculent Trumpsters protest, they would have never been vaccinated anyway.
There is a good model for insurance companies to follow with unvaccinated people going to hospitals for COVID treatment. Treat them as they used to
treat people with pre-existing conditions. It's a totally different situation, and in no way I'm advocating for "pre-existing conditions", but the
insurance method works. Get vaccinated or get the hospital bills, your choice.
[Edited on 9-13-2021 by SFandH]
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Don Pisto
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they have an oral vaccine now......put it in their water
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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Barry A.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Hmmmm, perhaps we should start compiling a list of all people that should be banned from entering a Hospital due to their "reckless" and "stupid"
behavior------people over weight, any illegal drug user, reckless drivers, people with untreated high blood pressure that have a heart attack, drunk
drivers, ----just for a start. |
Oh, the slippery slope argument. Is there any evidence that what you suggest will happen? |
Not that I am aware of, SF&H. It was a specious & sarcastic comment by me in response to some other strange posts here. I should have
resisted the urge to respond. Sorry.
By the way, at my age (83) I have no intention of going to the Hospital if I again come down with serious life-threating Covid-like symptoms, and have
instructed my relatives to honor that wish. I do believe that Hospitals are fairly dangerous places, tho sometimes necessary, and should be avoided
unless an operation is the only way forward for a good life to continue. We all have different values that result in us making different decisions,
and I realize that some may differ with other's decisions and conclusions, and that is OK with me, for the most part. If I do lose my natural Covid
anti-bodies, I will get vaccinated unless new negative Science dictates otherwise.
Stay safe!!
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There are a million examples from the last couple years.
They started taking down confederate statutes, now they are tearing down statutes of Louis and Clark.
Libs hate America.
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Ateo
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Yeah, sure, but this is different. We're in a viral pandemic now. As the mutation that resulted in the delta variant proves, things can change from
getting better (June) to getting much worse (July) real quick. If a mutation occurs that is highly infectious AND evades antibodies caused by
vaccinations and previous infection, we're right back to square one.
The more unvaccinated people there are, the more sick infected people there are, and the higher the risk of a new deadly mutation. This is the biggest
reason for quick action. The unvaccinated people are not only putting themselves at risk. They're putting you and me at risk.
[Edited on 9-13-2021 by SFandH] |
Perfectly said. Thank you.
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Why do you always use such inane and childish insults? You sound like a lapdog for Fox News. I thought you went to Loyola and at least could
construct an argument without second grade level name calling?
Libs hate America? What the hell is that anyway? You make a fool of yourself, and I'm saying that as someone who actually finds you quite
reasonable in most other areas. I'd have a beer with you, anytime. Why this?
Maybe it's time for Doug to put this dog of a thread down.
John
[Edited on 9-13-2021 by John Harper]
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SFandH
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Don't respond to inane posts.
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