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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Barry: I'm interested. How have you prepared for the surge of breakthroughs that is coming upon us? If predictions are accurate hospital care will be
hard to come by and we have to prepare for the alternative of home treatment. Especially as there are fewer and fewer available hospital staff at the
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Omicron, while more contagious, isn't as severe.
Cases will go way up. But hospitalizations won't.
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Go ahead and be cavalier… things will be fine…
until the next variant comes along.
Merry xmas, suckers.
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Merry Christmas Mr. Goat, baaaaa haaa humbug
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Barry: I'm interested. How have you prepared for the surge of breakthroughs that is coming upon us? If predictions are accurate hospital care will be
hard to come by and we have to prepare for the alternative of home treatment. Especially as there are fewer and fewer available hospital staff at the
same time. |
Omicron, while more contagious, isn't as severe.
Cases will go way up. But hospitalizations won't.
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Thankfully, so far the drastic increase in daily cases here from Omicron (more than double the old highs) have actually led to declining hospitalized
people, especially in ICU's. It's still early tho, and all scheduled hospital surgeries have been cancelled as of Jan 4. The leaders remain convinced
that at some point the hospitalizations will increase and they are shutting down other hospital services at an alarming rate just in case like they
did in March of 2020.
I'd like to join the list of Merry Christmas wishers. This is the first time ever we have celebrated alone with no family visiting but thankfully can
do face time with them. Merry Chistmas y'all!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Barry: I'm interested. How have you prepared for the surge of breakthroughs that is coming upon us? If predictions are accurate hospital care will be
hard to come by and we have to prepare for the alternative of home treatment. Especially as there are fewer and fewer available hospital staff at the
same time. |
Omicron, while more contagious, isn't as severe.
Cases will go way up. But hospitalizations won't.
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Thankfully, so far the drastic increase in daily cases here from Omicron (more than double the old highs) have actually led to declining hospitalized
people, especially in ICU's. It's still early tho, and all scheduled hospital surgeries have been cancelled as of Jan 4. The leaders remain convinced
that at some point the hospitalizations will increase and they are shutting down other hospital services at an alarming rate just in case like they
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The anti-science, anti-vax crowd is desperately hoping for omicron to be benign nothing burger.
Omicron is not the last variant, the unvaccinated will see increasing death rate again soon.
I hope the unvax get a few more months of life from the temporary omicron reprieve.
Merry xmas!
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Here is the latest Science reporting regarding the Omicron ability to evade vaccinations or previous recoveries from infection:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/omicron-coronavirus-covi...
"For example, among people vaccinated with two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech, levels of immune proteins
called neutralizing antibodies that stop the virus from infecting new cells were 41 times lower compared with antibodies against an older version of
the virus that rose to prevalence in mid-2020, researchers report in a preliminary study posted December 11 at medRix.org. Previously infected people
who have been vaccinated, on the other hand, have a leg up (SN: 8/19/21). The study showed that antibody levels against omicron were lower in people
who had received two doses of Pfizer’s shot than in similarly vaccinated individuals who had recovered from a previous infection."
and more further down on booster effectiveness
"The findings are similar to early estimates out of the United Kingdom, which show Pfizer’s two-dose shot is around 30 percent effective against
symptoms. A booster dose increased the effectiveness to between 70 percent to 75 percent, according to data from Public Health England. Still,
there’s a lot of uncertainty because those findings are based on low numbers of cases. As time passes and more people get infected, researchers will
get better estimates."
[Edited on 12-25-2021 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Here is the latest Science reporting regarding the Omicron ability to evade vaccinations or previous recoveries from infection:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/omicron-coronavirus-covi...
"For example, among people vaccinated with two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech, levels of immune proteins
called neutralizing antibodies that stop the virus from infecting new cells were 41 times lower compared with antibodies against an older version of
the virus that rose to prevalence in mid-2020, researchers report in a preliminary study posted December 11 at medRix.org. Previously infected people
who have been vaccinated, on the other hand, have a leg up (SN: 8/19/21). The study showed that antibody levels against omicron were lower in people
who had received two doses of Pfizer’s shot than in similarly vaccinated individuals who had recovered from a previous infection."
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The value of having natural immunity has been criminally down played by many of the so-called scientists.
[Edited on 12-25-2021 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Here is the latest Science reporting regarding the Omicron ability to evade vaccinations or previous recoveries from infection:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/omicron-coronavirus-covi...
"For example, among people vaccinated with two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech, levels of immune proteins
called neutralizing antibodies that stop the virus from infecting new cells were 41 times lower compared with antibodies against an older version of
the virus that rose to prevalence in mid-2020, researchers report in a preliminary study posted December 11 at medRix.org. Previously infected people
who have been vaccinated, on the other hand, have a leg up (SN: 8/19/21). The study showed that antibody levels against omicron were lower in people
who had received two doses of Pfizer’s shot than in similarly vaccinated individuals who had recovered from a previous infection."
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The value of having natural immunity has been criminally down played by all the so-called scientists.
[Edited on 12-25-2021 by JZ] |
The only people that are naturally immune are the dead.
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I wonder if they liked my choice of restaurants, likely not.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/25/canada-secretly-tracked-33-mil...
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With this sudden unusually heavy snowfall and plunge in temperatures, we have almost everyone showing the Omicron mild symptoms (sniffling) and since
no one is able to drive the roads, we also have very little travel or shopping. Nature once again forces a remedial change on an increasingly
reluctant and worn out populace. Will be interesting to see how this affects local data.
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With Omicron, and the extremely high number of asymptomatic or mild symptoms only breakthroughs in fully and booster vaccinated people, (80%+) this
particular strain is highly likely to spread extremely rapidly until actual herd immunity is reached. Increasing breakouts in medical facilities where
no one without a full vaccination passport has been allowed in for months now is clearly showing this is no longer an unvaccinated spread issue. We
are still told tho that your best protection from major symptoms when you are exposed is to have a very recent booster shot, if it's available in your
area. Africa was denied this, so they are approaching herd immunity without vaccines.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Here is the latest Science reporting regarding the Omicron ability to evade vaccinations or previous recoveries from infection:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/omicron-coronavirus-covi...
"For example, among people vaccinated with two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech, levels of immune proteins
called neutralizing antibodies that stop the virus from infecting new cells were 41 times lower compared with antibodies against an older version of
the virus that rose to prevalence in mid-2020, researchers report in a preliminary study posted December 11 at medRix.org. Previously infected people
who have been vaccinated, on the other hand, have a leg up (SN: 8/19/21). The study showed that antibody levels against omicron were lower in people
who had received two doses of Pfizer’s shot than in similarly vaccinated individuals who had recovered from a previous infection."
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The value of having natural immunity has been criminally down played by many of the so-called scientists.
[Edited on 12-25-2021 by JZ] |
I have to agree with you - I have done a lot of searches and there just isn't a lot of evidence that people get infected more than once. Scientists
speculate those who test positive again after a long period of negative tests may just be harboring the virus - never fully recovered. There are so
few cases of being infected twice that there just isn't enough data to be conclusive that prove you don't have immunity if you have had covid once.
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Mexico not following the trend in Omicron...why?
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/as-omicron-take...
The emergence of the omicron variant of the coronavirus hasn’t caused a spike in reported case numbers in Mexico, as has occurred in numerous other
countries.
The Health Ministry reported 52,528 confirmed cases in the first 22 days of December for a daily average of 2,387. That’s an 11% decline compared to
the daily average in November.
Another of the countries that was late getting vaccines and developed a very high percentage of people carrying naturally induced immune response
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When I left La Paz in late October they were at Level 1 (Green) but masks and temperature checks were required at all big stores on entry. Masks
indoors elesehwere and social distancing and masks in Uber or cabs. Other than that, people were living a pretty normal enjoyable life, Ballandra
beach was crowded and the weekend night life had exploded again. On My return to Canada, it was lock down after lock down and we are the ones now
surging in identified cases, while La Paz new cases are still declining, even with Omicron.
And here is the latest from South Africa 3 days ago:
https://www.the-sun.com/health/4334548/omicron-gone-south-af...
EXPERTS predict Omicron will have fizzled out in South Africa within weeks in a huge boost to morale in the UK.
Infections have spiralled in the past week and admissions failed to reach expected levels, as hospitals “never reached capacity”.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama |
I have to agree with you - I have done a lot of searches and there just isn't a lot of evidence that people get infected more than once. Scientists
speculate those who test positive again after a long period of negative tests may just be harboring the virus - never fully recovered. There are so
few cases of being infected twice that there just isn't enough data to be conclusive that prove you don't have immunity if you have had covid once.
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I don't know how much of a difference natural immunity makes. But it obviously helps.
What is troubling is between the CDC and NIH they have roughly a $60 billion/year budget.
And neither has pursued or produced studies on natural immunity. And they don't bother to even discuss it.
That is pretty concerning.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama |
I have to agree with you - I have done a lot of searches and there just isn't a lot of evidence that people get infected more than once. Scientists
speculate those who test positive again after a long period of negative tests may just be harboring the virus - never fully recovered. There are so
few cases of being infected twice that there just isn't enough data to be conclusive that prove you don't have immunity if you have had covid once.
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I don't know how much of a difference natural immunity makes. But it obviously helps.
What is troubling is between the CDC and NIH they have roughly a $60 billion/year budget.
And neither has pursued or produced studies on natural immunity. And they don't bother to even discuss it.
That is pretty concerning.
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I'm not concerned about doing studies - facts are facts. What concerns me is that the US (not Europe) counts people who have had previous infections
as still vulnerable to the virus - unvaxed if you will. But in reality 52 million people in the US have had covid and shouldn't need to get
vaccinated. If you count those 52 million we are getting to a place where the virus has no where else to go. The next variant will likely be more
contagious and less virulent than Omicron and hopefully this pandemic will be over. Two years is the normal course, we are almost there, yippee.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama |
I have to agree with you - I have done a lot of searches and there just isn't a lot of evidence that people get infected more than once. Scientists
speculate those who test positive again after a long period of negative tests may just be harboring the virus - never fully recovered. There are so
few cases of being infected twice that there just isn't enough data to be conclusive that prove you don't have immunity if you have had covid once.
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I don't know how much of a difference natural immunity makes. But it obviously helps.
What is troubling is between the CDC and NIH they have roughly a $60 billion/year budget.
And neither has pursued or produced studies on natural immunity. And they don't bother to even discuss it.
That is pretty concerning.
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I'm not concerned about doing studies - facts are facts. What concerns me is that the US (not Europe) counts people who have had previous infections
as still vulnerable to the virus - unvaxed if you will. But in reality 52 million people in the US have had covid and shouldn't need to get
vaccinated. If you count those 52 million we are getting to a place where the virus has no where else to go. The next variant will likely be more
contagious and less virulent than Omicron and hopefully this pandemic will be over. Two years is the normal course, we are almost there, yippee.
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For shorty and bajamom:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
That was literally 10 seconds of googling to find summary of studies re natural vs vaccine immunity.
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Not only are previously infected and recovered considered vulnerable, inexplicably, so are previously jabbed for a number of weeks after the shot and
again after a few months, so, today, if you have been jabbed twice and go again for another shot, you are considered unvaxxed for two weeks
officially, so if you become ill immediately you are labeled unvaxxed and again after a few months depending on the shot and region you are in, you
are unvaxxed again after a few months, magically. Currently in Israel you must have 4 jabs to be considered vaxxed while clearly there is low efficacy
and high risks?
What does that mean about the efficacy of the jabs? Or the viability of the statistics?
One thing is clear the jabs are not effective and are risky, from hyper propagation of spike proteins that cause thrombosis, clotting, heart
inflammation, injuries and death etc.
There is something very concerning about the disconnect from health agencies and hospitals lack of focus on preventative health and therapeutics for
treatment of cold and flu like infections and insistance on continuous jabs as the only route?
For example, health comes from exercise, fresh air, sunshine, social interaction, diet, complete nutrition, vitamin supplements, B, C, D, Magnesium,
Selenium, Zinc etc while flu like illness benefits from medicines that are shown to help like Ivermectin, Hydroxylchlorine, Monoclonal antibodies and
other medicine to reduce congestion and ease symptoms for faster recovery.
Furthermore, there is no such thing as asymptomatic illness, that is absurd. A diagnosis with proof of a relationship between demonstrable symptoms
and a virus as the cause is lacking.
Yet the grim predictions continue based on forecasts and models not on reality.
CDC issues grim forecast warning that weekly COVID cases will jump by 55% to 1.3 MILLION by Christmas Day and that deaths will surge by 73% to 15,600
a week as Omicron becomes dominant strain
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10314687/CDC-issu...
[Edited on 12-27-2021 by gnukid]
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Not only are previously infected and recovered considered vulnerable, inexplicably, so are previously jabbed for a number of weeks after the shot and
again after a few months, so, today, if you have been jabbed twice and go again for another shot, you are considered unvaxxed for two weeks
officially, so if you become ill immediately you are labeled unvaxxed and again after a few months depending on the shot and region you are in, you
are unvaxxed again after a few months, magically. Currently in Israel you must have 4 jabs to be considered vaxxed while clearly there is low efficacy
and high risks?
What does that mean about the efficacy of the jabs? Or the viability of the statistics?
One thing is clear the jabs are not effective and are risky, from hyper propagation of spike proteins that cause thrombosis, clotting, heart
inflammation, injuries and death etc.
There is something very concerning about the disconnect from health agencies and hospitals lack of focus on preventative health and therapeutics for
treatment of cold and flu like infections and insistance on continuous jabs as the only route?
For example, health comes from exercise, fresh air, sunshine, social interaction, diet, complete nutrition, vitamin supplements, B, C, D, Magnesium,
Selenium, Zinc etc while flu like illness benefits from medicines that are shown to help like Ivermectin, Hydroxylchlorine, Monoclonal antibodies and
other medicine to reduce congestion and ease symptoms for faster recovery.
Furthermore, there is no such thing as asymptomatic illness, that is absurd. A diagnosis with proof of a relationship between demonstrable symptoms
and a virus as the cause is lacking.
Yet the grim predictions continue based on forecasts and models not on reality.
CDC issues grim forecast warning that weekly COVID cases will jump by 55% to 1.3 MILLION by Christmas Day and that deaths will surge by 73% to 15,600
a week as Omicron becomes dominant strain
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10314687/CDC-issu...
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Ivermectin? You are a fool!
Hydrochlorine? You cant even spell your quackery right!
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This article explains exactly what the spike protein does to cause OXIDATIVE STRESS to disease the cell and organs in the human body.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acsomega.0c02125
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Oldkid:
No one is going to listen to you, you peddle horse dewormer quackery as covid cure!
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