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BajaMama
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Responding to Mr. MTGoat:
For shorty and bajamom:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
That was literally 10 seconds of googling to find summary of studies re natural vs vaccine immunity.
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I hear what you are saying, and I read the article. As with my other research, there is very little evidence of getting a second covid infection if
you have already been infected - all documented cases of re-infection are potentially infections that reappeared because the virus was never fully
cleared. Your article says immunity/protection after infection is increased by a vaccination, however it does not mention much about data on
re-infection. THAT is what I was searching for and did not find. But please, I would love to read some stats and facts about re-infections.
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by BajaMama]
Edited: I did find this article - first one with any information. But of course they do make em big in MN, not the healthiest population. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2021/mediaadv11...
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by BajaMama]
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by BajaMama]
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surabi
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Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  |
Your article says immunity/protection after infection is increased by a vaccination, however it does not mention much about data on re-infection.
THAT is what I was searching for and did not find. But please, I would love to read some stats and facts about re-infections.
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by BajaMama]
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by BajaMama] |
Here's a couple.
https://www.wpr.org/epic-systems-unvaccinated-44-percent-mor...
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/reinfection-ra...
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mtgoat666
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Talk of banning the unvaccinated from commercial air travel. Sounds like a good idea! Need to persuade the nincompoops to get the vaccine, every
little incentive helps!
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Talk of banning the unvaccinated from commercial air travel. Sounds like a good idea! Need to persuade the nincompoops to get the vaccine, every
little incentive helps! |
As much as you want Fauci to control every part of your life this one isn't happening. The US public is at its breaking point with Biden and he knows
it.
They have already rolled back the quarantine time from 10 to 5 days (funny how the so-called "science" changes).
To your dismay, Covid is coming to an end after Omicron blows through, and you'll finally have to come out of the basement.
All you'll have left is your ability to call every non-woke person a racist.
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by JZ]
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Talk of banning the unvaccinated from commercial air travel. Sounds like a good idea! Need to persuade the nincompoops to get the vaccine, every
little incentive helps! |
As much as you want Fauci to control every part of your life this one isn't happening. The US public is at its breaking point with Biden and he knows
it.
They have already rolled back the quarantine time from 10 to 5 days (funny how the so-called "science" changes).
To your dismay, Covid is coming to an end after Omicron blows through, and you'll finally have to come out of the basement.
All you'll have left is your ability to call every non-woke person a racist.
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by JZ] |
Just...shut...up....
please go back and read some of your posts...bumbling, ranting, nonsense
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gnukid
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A couple interesting studies about supplements C, magnesium, Selenium, Zinc
Benefits of magnesium to the heart and whole body
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
Magnesium has been proven to prevent and protect against blood clotting
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12774935/
Study showing Magnesium’s Protection again blood clotting, particularly pulmonary (lung) thromboembolism.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350399391_Increased... lowered_peripheral_oxygen_saturation
Vitamin C mitigates oxidative stress and tumor necrosis factor-alpha in severe community-acquired pneumonia and LPS-induced macrophages
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25253919/
Magnesium and C-reactive protein in heart failure: an anti-inflammatory effect of magnesium administration?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17479208/
Severe hypomagnesemia and low-grade inflammation in metabolic syndrome (low level of magnesium increases risk of cancer)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21609903/
(Supplementing 200mcg of Selenium Daily will promote the liver to increase levels of disease protecting Glutathione to be produced.)
Protective Effect of Glutathione against Oxidative Stress-induced Cytotoxicity in RAW 264.7 Macrophages through Activating the Nuclear Factor
Erythroid 2-Related Factor-2/Heme Oxygenase-1 Pathway
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30939721/
Summary: vitamin C, Selenium, Magnesium, Zinc are helpful to health in appropriate doses everyday
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by gnukid]
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mtgoat666
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This coming from you, paul, right after you recommended horse dewormer for covid cure.  
Woke!
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gnukid
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Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 71 studies
https://ivmmeta.com
•Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, ventilation, ICU admission, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance.
All remain significant after exclusions. 47 studies from 43 independent teams in 19 different countries show statistically significant improvements in
isolation (36 primary outcome, 33 most serious outcome).
•Meta analysis using the most serious outcome shows 66% [53‑76%] and 83% [74‑89%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis, with similar
results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis (excluding all GMK/BBC team studies), for primary outcomes, for peer-reviewed studies, and for
RCTs.
•Results are very robust — in worst case exclusion sensitivity analysis 57 of 71 studies must be excluded to avoid finding statistically
significant efficacy.
•While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection. Only 25% of ivermectin
studies show zero events in the treatment arm.
•Multiple treatments are typically used in combination, which may be significantly more effective.
•Elimination of COVID-19 is a race against viral evolution. No treatment, vaccine, or intervention is 100% available and effective for all variants.
All practical, effective, and safe means should be used, including treatments, as supported by Pfizer [Pfizer, TrialSiteNews]. Denying the efficacy of
treatments increases the risk of COVID-19 becoming endemic; and increases mortality, morbidity, and collateral damage.
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BajaMama
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Looks like the science is in...get vaccinated even if you have already been infected. When I read the NYT covid stats, it amazes me how many of those
who are sick, hospitalized and dead are unvaccinated.
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pacificobob
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Talk of banning the unvaccinated from commercial air travel. Sounds like a good idea! Need to persuade the nincompoops to get the vaccine, every
little incentive helps! |
As much as you want Fauci to control every part of your life this one isn't happening. The US public is at its breaking point with Biden and he knows
it.
They have already rolled back the quarantine time from 10 to 5 days (funny how the so-called "science" changes).
To your dismay, Covid is coming to an end after Omicron blows through, and you'll finally have to come out of the basement.
All you'll have left is your ability to call every non-woke person a racist.
[Edited on 12-28-2021 by JZ] |
Just...shut...up....
please go back and read some of your posts...bumbling, ranting, nonsense |
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JDCanuck
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Extreme cold spell reducing travel on West Coast seems to have had a positive effect on spread of Omicron virus and increased hospitalizations remain
under expectations. Isolation periods if testing positive also reduced.
Happier New Year ahead.
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JDCanuck
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More encouraging news on Omicron out of South Africa, small study indicates Omicron exposure may reduce risk to Delta:
https://www.livemint.com/science/health/omicron-may-reduce-d...
"Infection with the omicron coronavirus variant can also strengthen immunity against the earlier Delta strain, reducing the risk of severe disease,
according to a paper released by South African scientists"
While omicron has been shown to be highly transmissible and can evade some antibodies, after two weeks of getting symptoms immunity to subsequent
infections from the strain rose 14-fold, according to the authors led by Alex Sigal and Khadija Khan of the Durban, South Africa-based Africa Health
Research Institute. A smaller improvement was found against delta, they said. "
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Weakened strains have been used to create traditional vaccines (Polio) in the past:
https://www.uu.nl/en/news/using-weakened-coronavirus-strains...
Linking virus genetic material to symptoms
Where the discovery of a weakened polio virus was a fortunate accident, current technologies make it possible to deliberately search for an attenuated
strain. As far as the scientists know, only part of the pathogen’s genetic material has been examined so far, and those genes have not been linked
to the patients’ pathologies. They therefore recommend identifying the genome of the virus variants in patients who show only mild symptoms. The
weaker viruses found in this way can then be attenuated further (if necessary) and used for the production of vaccines.
Research into suitable milder variants should mainly focus on infections among risk groups. If the patients have managed to survive the infection
without major problems, and if the divergent signature of the virus can be identified, then the next step towards a possible vaccine is simply one of
technology and careful testing. The virus can then provide its own vaccine, as was the case with polio. Deliberately infecting people with a mild
variant stops the advance of the harmful virus strains by means of a ‘scorched earth’ strategy and helps to build group immunity. The limited
risks of working with an attenuated virus will require careful monitoring, however, as is currently the case with the vaccines for mumps, measles and
rubella.
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JDCanuck, thank you for the objective and polite approach to this discussion--and for noting the recent and potentially positive news. Hopefully
things do get better in the new year, for all.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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mtgoat666
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Reports that 2 of 3 monoclonal antibody treatments dont work on omicron variant…
Gnukid, shorty and fellow florida man gonna have to rely on horse dewormer 
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We doubled our daily record here in the USA today!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
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I've heard of 7 cases here in Bahia Asuncion. Vizcaino is supposed to be very bad...who knows. Sounds like schools are going back to virtual and
there will be some restrictions in the near future.
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JDCanuck
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South Africa Omicron total cases, case fatality and hospitalization rates plummet after Omicron, UK now on similar path, hospitalization rates far
lower, average time in hospital drops to 3 days from 8.8 for Delta in UK.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9c78befe-68ea-11ec-b36e-1...
It comes after a former head of Britain’s Vaccine Taskforce said the UK’s use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine may be one of the reasons why the
nation is not recording as many deaths as other European countries. Dr Clive Dix said it was possible that the RNA in Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines
did not last as long in the body.
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Friends in Los Planes, say holiday gatherings has half the town with covid. La Ribera has similar reports. I hope it's not the case, but the rumor is
we are heading for another shut down by the middle of the month.
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When they "lock down" in BCS, what specifically does that mean?
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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