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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | Surabi,
Argue with the CDC, it’s their study not mine! So why no testing if so many infected tourists are coming to BCS seems like common sense? BTW I’m
in favor of all sick people being required to wear real masks correctly! |
The CDC never said masks were ineffective. Show me where they said that. They made a distinction between which masks were useful and which weren't.
Why no testing for incoming travellers to Mexico? Because the Mexican govt. has had an ignorant approach to the pandemic since square one. Obredor
said his amulets would keep him safe and that Covid was a disease of the rich, that it wouldn't affect the poor. His head of Covid response, when
asked why Mexico wasn't requiring testing or vaccinations, responded, "Because sick people don't travel".
This is all the evidence needed to see how idiotic they have been. meanwhile, Mexico has been near or at the top of the death rate worldwide for Covid
for a long time. The death rate in Mexico was 11% for most of the pandemic.
As for your "all sick people wearing masks", that shows incredible ignorance. People can have and spread Covid without showing any symptoms
themselves, and it also protects the mask wearer from anyone who is infected and unmasked.
And is your period key broken? What's with all the exclamation marks?
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Surabi,
I use “!” Cause I can’t fire a gun for emphasis (Google the historical) and underlining is too much effort.
In Asia it has been customary for people who are ill to wear a mask for a long time, but they are also smart enough to remove their footwear at the
door. Both are a good idea GFE. (Is that better?)
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surabi
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Asians don't just wear masks when they are ill. A lot of them wear them routinely in crowded public places, and have done long before Covid.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Asians don't just wear masks when they are ill. A lot of them wear them routinely in crowded public places, and have done long before Covid.
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I spent 1969 in South Korea, with an R&R visit to Tokyo. It was fairly common to see healthy people wearing masks in public places.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Asians don't just wear masks when they are ill. A lot of them wear them routinely in crowded public places, and have done long before Covid.
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I have been to Asia about 40 times (wife was born in Tokyo). Have watched them wear masks periodically for 20+ years.
It's always been a very small percentage of people. It started happening more after the swine flu. More common when traveling (planes/airport).
More in China than Japan or Korea.
That is their choice. It has always been wise to stay home when you are sick (all ppl). If people feel they need extra protection that is great
also.
Making little kids who have near zero chance of getting seriously ill and are not good spreaders of Covid wear masks for 8hrs a day in schools, thus
setting back their emotional development, is just awful policy. A ton of people and countries agree with that.
[Edited on 6-27-2022 by JZ]
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I don't know if you realize this or not, but in December and January several hospitals in different states told medical professionals who tested
positive that they could return to work as soon as they were asymptomatic even without a negative test.
They didn't do that unless it was a very low risk of spreading Covid.
Protect yourself if you are at risk. Let other people live their damn lives.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/california-a...
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JZ,
The thing that makes me wonder how much Kabuki there was in this theater is the fact foot coverings and shoe disinfectant trays were never required in
the US. Mexico and other countries yes but the US no or at least not California.
Since shoe coverings and shoe tack matts are integral to both hospital infection control and clean rooms why neither for this epidemic?
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | JZ,
The thing that makes me wonder how much Kabuki there was in this theater is the fact foot coverings and shoe disinfectant trays were never required in
the US. Mexico and other countries yes but the US no or at least not California.
Since shoe coverings and shoe tack matts are integral to both hospital infection control and clean rooms why neither for this epidemic?
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I went to 10 states in 2020. None had the shoe wash thing. The first time I saw it was in the Spring of 2021 in Loreto.
This is an airborne disease. You don't get it by touching things. Unless someone sneezed on something, you immediately touched it, and then wiped
your face.
I actually learned this fact in April 2020 from CNN's chief Doc. That's one reason I decided to start traveling in 2020, but avoid people mostly.
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it is proven fact masks are useless to prevent covid. Do I use one yes to keep all happy. If it saves one in a million from covid so be it.
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Post a link to your proof!
P.s. re covid in general, What would Jesus do?
[Edited on 6-27-2022 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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I'm sure all the scientists who have studied this and proven that masks are indeed of value in preventig the spread and contracting of Covid will be
grateful to have some armchair "alternative facts" clown set them straight.
[Edited on 6-29-2022 by surabi]
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The idea of using a mask in relation to transmission of influenza like illness would be that the infectious particles expressed from the mouth and
nose of an infected person would be larger measured in microns than the holes in the material that allow the person to breathe.
Also, we would need evidence that when non-infected, infected and recuperated get together they benefit by reduced rates of influenza (covid19) and
deaths by wearing a face mask, by delaying viral engagement, versus not delaying viral engagement.
Are either of those demonstrably true from the hospital data?
[Edited on 6-29-2022 by gnukid]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
NIH directors have said cloth masks are worthless. The only mask that is fool proof is an N95 mask worn properly. Most people do not do this.
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The generalizations you try to pass as fact? Amusing.
I doubt you know when someone is wearing N95 or not. If you see someone wearing a mask improperly, leave the alone.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
https://www.who.int/teams/global-influenza-programme/influen...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7646051/
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
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14-day change in COVID cases:
BC - +119% 206 cases, 8 per 100,000
BCS - +64% 304 cases, 43 per 100,000
source: Johns Hopkins University
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/mexico-covid-...
CA - +9% 18,895 cases, 48 per 100,000
source: the state
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/california-covid...
[Edited on 6-29-2022 by SFandH]
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It seems a whole lot of friends that were fully vaccinated and boosted as well are coming down with covid very recently. Masks, social distancing and
avoiding large gatherings seem to be the only line of defense.
On the other hand, for those that do get it, they also exhibit fairly mild reactions and recover very rapidly.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Asians don't just wear masks when they are ill. A lot of them wear them routinely in crowded public places, and have done long before Covid.
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Also when the air quality becomes toxic
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Post a link to your proof!
P.s. re covid in general, What would Jesus do?
"Proven fact" .......sounds redundant....that alone cast doubt on the accuracy.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck |
On the other hand, for those that do get it, they also exhibit fairly mild reactions and recover very rapidly. |
I have spoken to two people in Canada who have recently had Covid- one is my son-in-law, one is a close friend. Both fully vaccinated and boosted.
Neither of them had mild reactions- while they didn't require hospitalization, both were sick for 2 weeks and felt really awful.
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2 vaccine doses and a booster. I came to the US for the first time in 9 months. We both got covid immediately with moderately bad symptoms...but
notably a lingering cough and a remarkable lack of energy....several weeks now.
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