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JZ
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First COVID-19 vaccine tested in US produced antibodies in all patients during trial
“No matter how you slice this, this is good news,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease expert, told The Associated
Press.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/first-covid-19-vaccine-tested...
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Howard
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Promising but not getting to excited at this point.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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Any new positive developments are good news, but the sticky point on this is that there hasn't been any proof that having antibodies prevents you from
getting the virus. And there have been studies that show that the antibodies that those who've had the virus were shown to have diminished rapidly in
a short period of time.
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mtgoat666
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This winter, if you catch a cold or the flu, then catch covid19 on top of the Cold or flu, i would bet you die
Even if you are young and stupid, youth wont protect you when you are immune compromised. Cytokine storm! The ICU will be full to capacity, so hope
you get sick early before your neighbors, or sayonara!
Hope your summer of mask denial was a nice finale to life!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Yes, the “End Days” are upon us, there’s a comet in the sky! We’re all going to die!
If Biden wins being dead is probably a good thing!
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | This winter, if you catch a cold or the flu, then catch covid19 on top of the Cold or flu, i would bet you die
Even if you are young and stupid, youth wont protect you when you are immune compromised. Cytokine storm! The ICU will be full to capacity, so hope
you get sick early before your neighbors, or sayonara!
Hope your summer of mask denial was a nice finale to life! |
Haven't had the flu in about 15 years and have never had a flu shot.
[Edited on 7-15-2020 by JZ]
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I plan on getting a Flu and a Covid Vaccination this fall!
“What the American people want to do is fight a war without getting hurt. You can’t do that anymore than you can get into a barroom fight without
getting hurt… Unless the American people are willing to send their sons out to fight an aggressor, there just isn’t going to be any United
States.” – Chesty Puller”
General Puller would never vote for Joe Biden!
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | I plan on getting a Flu and a Covid Vaccination this fall!
“What the American people want to do is fight a war without getting hurt. You can’t do that anymore than you can get into a barroom fight without
getting hurt… Unless the American people are willing to send their sons out to fight an aggressor, there just isn’t going to be any United
States.” – Chesty Puller”
General Puller would never vote for Joe Biden! |
Not voting for Biden and Chesty wouldn't vote for a draft dodger. He would kick his booty.
On subject: vaccine is coming. Problem might be the large number of people who die because they didn't take this stuff seriously.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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TMW
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I haven't had the flu either in about 15 years or more years and I do get the flu shot every year. I get every vaccine they come up with shingles,
pneumonia, hep A and B I don't care give me all of em. I also wear a mask when I go into a store. I also stay away from crowds.
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It is interesting how many people are not taking this COVID-19 virus seriously. Some friends and I were talking the other day and none of us
personally know of anyone who has gotten it. I asked my son who lives in CO and neither does he. However my daughter who is a nurse in Fresno knows
several people who have gotten it and died from it. Her ex husband's girl friend got it and gave it to her son, both are OK now. I believe it and I
don't want it.
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Global/USA testing
COVID PCR testing can not determine between isolated covid and any other pathogen or common cold and results in perhaps a majority of false positive,
according to Doborah Birx. While serological testing post infection may determine antibodies present qualitatively or quantitatively but doesn't mean
the person ever was infected, they may simply acquire immunity through social contact. Meaning, there is not accurate data, certainly, the data
contain gross errors, conflation and can not be used to drive decision making and policy.
In this video Birx explains why there is no confidence in the testing data.
Deborah Birx explains that 50%, majority of testing, are incorrect due to inability to test for isolated covid19, and people have variable
quantitative evidence of infection. Most people are not tested, simply marked positive in response to questions.
https://www.mrctv.org/videos/dr-birx-warns-false-positives-f...
Deborah Birx warns of grossly inaccurate testing
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/dr-...
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Fauci, on face masks, "I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that's the kind of thing you should be doing," he added.
During the interview, he also admitted that wearing a mask is not 100% effective, but says that it is a gesture that shows "respect" for other
people." https://va.news-republic.com/a/6831912055621026310
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Fauci says masks don't help reduce risk of covid and do cause harm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LScHAvufgfM
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Fauci, stay at home orders may cause irreparable harm.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-says-extended-stay-home...
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Fauci, no evidence that vaccine would be effective.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/12/fauci-tells-congress-no-guar...
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Conflation of tests, errors, suspected continues at CDC
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-acknowledges-mixing-up...
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Whoops, gross errors in testing, reporting cases and deaths result in CDC losing control of reporting due loss of confidence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-cor...
[Edited on 7-15-2020 by gnukid]
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
"This means the test cannot distinguishing covid from a cold or measles or ebola..."
You seriously want us to believe that an official Australian Government publication went to press with that kind of grammar?
Almost like it was doctored by someone without a very good handle on English. 
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I am not the source, Deborah Birx has clearly communicated the problem with COVID PCR testing, the creator has consistently communicated the test is
not an isolated test for COVID and should not be used, this is public domain, all sides reporting consistently including CDC, provisional suspected is
grossly error prone and invalid, no validated data of cases or deaths exists, according to Birx, Fauci, CDC actual excess death by case from COVID.
Gross conflation of PCR and serological testing, multiple counts per patients, grossly error prone. If you are not aware its your own lack of ability
to read. Not my position nor my point of view or opinion. There is no isolation of unique COVID19 infection testing in general occurring in Mexico. No
validated data correlating cases and deaths, Yes that is shocking, yes it is good news. Do your own research in validation of COVID PCR testing. Its
not hard.
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gnukid
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I looked it up myself on the CDC guidelines for testing, DO your own research.
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gnukid
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It's not hard to look it up yourself though it seems easier for Nomads to refuse to read the source and instead make insulating derogatory comments
suggesting fraud. Why not look it up. Lencho are you incapable of using the internet that you peck away at day and night? Chrome doesn't read PDF?
Do your own search, yes the RT-PCR guidelines can change, I just pulled the guidelines it took me 1 minute to go LIMITATIONS to page 37-38 and read
limitations where it clearly states:
"This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens."
https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
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Most people aren't tested, they are marked positive based on a series of questions, did you have contact with a COVID19 positive patient, do you have
any symptoms? If yes you are positive suspected provisional.
Yes its great news to know we do not have cases or deaths validated.
Ample evidence exists that social contact builds immunity, isolation harms immunity, Face masks are not recommended for general public use according
to all major health providers.
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gnukid
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All RT-PCR Diagnostic testing for COVID19 states not for viral infection validation, for research only, which is why it is suspected provisional.
This is great news, there are no validated cases of infection, what we have is a conflation of all respiratory symptoms as "COVID19" while those
numbers remain in the range of year to year flu like illness, there is no increase in overall actual excess deaths.
It's important to read carefully, understand the motivation, and make sense of the conflicting, confusing, conflation of data. When "we just don't
know", is the driving force for ALTERING HUMAN BEHAVIOR, then its not likely for our health benefit and clearly not based on validation.
It is time for Geriatric Nomads to Go Out
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To socially interact? If so, what health organization recommends this? Seems like it would be 100% mis-aligned with any credible source globally, and
if so would be dangerously inappropriate advice.
Today's #'s: "Total predicted number of excess deaths since 2/1/2020 across the United States: 124,892 - 168,675"
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Fact is Deborah Birx said nothing here (an April 19th interview) about the majority of testing being incorrect. She did say it won't be 100% accurate.
She did say that around mid-March they changed testing to be more Covid sensitive/specific.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/coronavirus-testing-part-sol...
"CDC recommends that people wear cloth face coverings in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when
other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...
Seems there's quite a bit of disagreement with this from numerous global entities:
'The Mississippi governor has dismissed herd immunity as a way to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, and reiterated his plea for people in
his state to wear masks.'
https://www.newsweek.com/mississippi-gov-argues-against-herd...
'A study conducted by Spanish researchers has found that only five per cent of the population in Spain has developed antibodies, nowhere near the
levels needed to achieve ''herd immunity''. According to the study, despite the high impact of Covid-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and
are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity.'
https://news.abplive.com/uncut/bin-manga-gyan/antibody-resea...
'Germany 'is still vulnerable to second wave of Covid-19' as antibody study reveals only 1.3% of the country has developed any immunity'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8524953/Germany-vul...
'Researchers continue to find evidence that the concept of immunity from widespread infection may not apply to COVID-19. A study published on July 11
by researchers at King’s College London found that antibodies detected in the human body which fight the coronavirus declined after just a few
weeks, leaving the possibility of herd immunity out of the question.'
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/in-another-blow-to-herd-imm...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v...
According to Sweden's official stats, they have a 7.3% covid death rate.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+stats+sweden
'The epidemiologist who led Sweden's controversial COVID-19 response, which did not involve a strict lockdown, now says that the country should have
done more to stop the spread of the virus'
https://www.livescience.com/results-of-sweden-covid19-respon...
Image from Dr. Scott Gottlieb:
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/12766988524485222...
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A couple of things:
No one has, to my knowledge, reported any cases of reinfection with symptoms.
The CDC has reported a normal Or Well below normal number of Total deaths in the US for the last 4 weeks through 7/15.
The current Vaccine test that going into large scale trials in a few days is producing antibody levels averaging 4X those from contracting the actual
disease.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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'July 15, 2020 - Doctors at Massachusetts General Hospital suspect an 82-year-old man treated earlier in the year for COVID-19, was infected again
after he recovered.'
https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/covid-19-reinfectio...
'Jul 12, 2020 - My patient caught Covid-19 twice.'
https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twic...
In those #'s, it explicitly states the following: "Data in recent weeks are incomplete. Only 60% of death records are submitted to NCHS within 10 days
of the date of death..."
Might take a few weeks for the stats (and projections) to fully develop.
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OK, 2 possible reinfections out of 13.5 million confirmed cases.
The total numbers of deaths have been decreasing for around 30 days. None of those prior weeks have been revised upward to date! We’ll see next
Wednesday.
The prior spike in deaths is largely compliments of NY (Cuomo) and NJ (Murphy) killing off nursing home patients and workers! (Around 12 thousand).
Then there’s the Ford Hydroxychloroquine study of 3500 patients that showed a 50% reduction in deaths ( from 26% to 13%). A US peer reviewed and
published study! How many people died because of politics on this subject?
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Why does it seem that those who see the glass as half empty seem to have a similar political view?
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