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Maderita
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I'm with Harald 4x4abc on this one. I watched another recovery operation of theirs, painfully, all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8IfXPm9zrU
(Note to Harald: Don't watch this as your blood pressure will be in the danger zone).
These guys are unsophisticated in their methods and downright dangerous. They seem to have no clue about basic safety. Their situational awareness is
not much better than drunken fools. In particular, they repeatedly walked and stood around the "low side" of the vehicles, both the recovery vehicles
and the truck being recovered. They stood in "the line of fire" with multiple wire ropes which were under tension. No protective gear: no safety
glasses, no gloves for handling wire rope. Baseball caps may protect from sun, but not from flying 3/4" shackles. No apparent safety coordination or
director of the operation. Haphazard with a distinct lack of leadership. They can only get by on luck for so long before there is a serious injury.
Certainly wasn't impressed with driving skills or 4x4 knowledge. Wondering if they have heard of airing down? All that gear and the guy uses an
adjustable wrench on his exhaust? Maybe learn to use lock nuts (distorted thread type) or double nut his exhaust bolts.
I must admit that I was impressed with the $299 Harbor Freight winch, that it actually worked. Equally impressed that it didn't rip the front end of
that unibody Classic Cherokee.
JZ - If you think that crew is doing it right 99% of the time, then you must have chosen 198 of their other videos of to view.
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KylesBahiadrean
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Been there done that ...LOL...this is right outside of Bahia San Rafael... took us probably 3-4 hours and luckily we were able to hire some guys that
were working on the road to help us dig... took two trucks a 2017 Tacoma , 1988 Toyota pickup to pull out a 2015 Tacoma.. Toyota POWER !!!
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  | I'm with Harald 4x4abc on this one. I watched another recovery operation of theirs, painfully, all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8IfXPm9zrU
(Note to Harald: Don't watch this as your blood pressure will be in the danger zone).
These guys are unsophisticated in their methods and downright dangerous. They seem to have no clue about basic safety. Their situational awareness is
not much better than drunken fools. In particular, they repeatedly walked and stood around the "low side" of the vehicles, both the recovery vehicles
and the truck being recovered. They stood in "the line of fire" with multiple wire ropes which were under tension. No protective gear: no safety
glasses, no gloves for handling wire rope. Baseball caps may protect from sun, but not from flying 3/4" shackles. No apparent safety coordination or
director of the operation. Haphazard with a distinct lack of leadership. They can only get by on luck for so long before there is a serious injury.
Certainly wasn't impressed with driving skills or 4x4 knowledge. Wondering if they have heard of airing down? All that gear and the guy uses an
adjustable wrench on his exhaust? Maybe learn to use lock nuts (distorted thread type) or double nut his exhaust bolts.
I must admit that I was impressed with the $299 Harbor Freight winch, that it actually worked. Equally impressed that it didn't rip the front end of
that unibody Classic Cherokee.
JZ - If you think that crew is doing it right 99% of the time, then you must have chosen 198 of their other videos of to view.
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What a rant!
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Maderita
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JZ - Your comment, "Winches are made for pulling, if your winch is incapable, you just need a bigger winch."
That type of winch is made for pulling under (electric) power. It is designed to be used for powering the wire rope in. Using it with the spool locked
down, and driving the vehicle, as if pulling with a chain, can break the winch internals. I can't say with certainty about the Badlands Chinese
knockoff, but I can say with certainty about the similar looking Warn 12,000 lb. Before learning better, I broke mine under a relatively low load.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | JZ - Your comment, "Winches are made for pulling, if your winch is incapable, you just need a bigger winch."
That type of winch is made for pulling under (electric) power. It is designed to be used for powering the wire rope in. Using it with the spool locked
down, and driving the vehicle, as if pulling with a chain, can break the winch internals. I can't say with certainty about the Badlands Chinese
knockoff, but I can say with certainty about the similar looking Warn 12,000 lb. Before learning better, I broke mine under a relatively low load.
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That was Goat that said that one. I've actually never used a winch in my life.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | | They seem to have no clue about basic safety. Their situational awareness is not much better than drunken fools. In particular, they repeatedly
walked and stood around the "low side" of the vehicles, both the recovery vehicles and the truck being recovered. They stood in "the line of fire"
with multiple wire ropes which were under tension. No protective gear: no safety glasses, no gloves for handling wire rope. Baseball caps may protect
from sun, but not from flying 3/4" shackles. No apparent safety coordination or director of the operation. Haphazard with a distinct lack of
leadership. They can only get by on luck for so long before there is a serious injury. |
You are going to be disappointed if you expect H&S in offroading...
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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pretty obvious who has the off road prowess here....but we already knew that didn't we?
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KylesBahiadrean
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Matt’s off-road recovery is pretty good at getting people out.. you
Should watch more his videos.. safety aside, he gets chit out..
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Maderita
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Sorry for the mistake JZ. A trypical comment from the goat which I wouldn't have bothered responding to. I just try to save others from grief or
danger with educational posts. As a rockclimber, it is highly important to observe safety systems and look out for partners and others.
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KylesBahiadrean
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Matt’s off-road recovery is pretty good at getting people out.. you
Should watch more his videos.. safety aside, he gets chit out..
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BornFisher
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Whar a great YouTube channel!! Hats off to Matt and crew!!
"When you catch a fish, you open the door of happiness."
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This took place in UTAH? Why is it posted here? This board gets worse every day..
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean | Been there done that ...LOL...this is right outside of Bahia San Rafael... took us probably 3-4 hours and luckily we were able to hire some guys that
were working on the road to help us dig... took two trucks a 2017 Tacoma , 1988 Toyota pickup to pull out a 2015 Tacoma.. Toyota POWER !!!
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Welcome to Baja Nomad, where Tacomas are the rule (for mid-size trucks)!
I see that you were a victim of Boca Grande (just north of San Rafael)! I think it was Barry A (?) who posted about how bad he was stuck in that muck!
I will search that...
Yep, and Pappy Jon, too... see his photo: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=87047
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David K
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Barry A's Boca Grande story...
| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | The following is lifted out of a 2006 post concerning my adventures on the salt flats of BOCA GRANDE that David K. made reference to above. The moral
of this story is "don't mess with salt flats"!!!!---------:
Boca Grande--------makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it------
--------April, 1999-----My buddy in his Isuzu Trooper, and I in my F-250 ext. cab with 1000 lb CALLEN camper on our way south from BOLA, decided that
it would be fun to explore Boca Grande, a couple miles east of the main road to San Rafael Fish camp, and San Francisquito. I was in the lead. I saw
many vehicle tracks leading out onto the "dry lagoon" playa----stopped and walked out on it----everything looked, and felt, great------back in my
truck and proceeded to drive across the "hard-pan" to the large rock berm between the "dry" lagoon and the Sea of Cortez. On the CB I suggested that
the Trooper should hold up until I checked it out (thank God). I had been cruizing across the hard-pan for about 800 yards and was nearing the rock
berm when I felt that the truck was starting to bog down a little. Boy, this is not good, so gently I start a wide left 180 to get the H--- out of
here. Now understand I am in 4 wheel drive, and have big 285 tires, but they are inflated to about 40 lbs.. I am doing everything perfectly----the
right gear (stick shift), keeping my speed up, eveything seems ok, but I am ever so slowly losing speed and starting to really feel dumb, AND MAD. I
manage to make the complete 180 and am heading for safety, but ever so slowly the truck comes to a complete stop-----all 4 wheels have sunk about 6
inches into the "mud" and I am not moving. Shut-down!
Realizing how far I am from ANYBODY (but the little-bitty Trooper), and knowing that the Trooper cannot haul my monster out of the mud, I am really
mad, and frankly scared (just a little). I am going to lose my truck!!!! it is going to dissappear into the mud, before my eyes.
I have no winch, no Pull-Pal, no nothing, except my highlift jack. After about 10 mins. of howling at the sky, cursing, and getting ready to have an
anurism, I sorta calm down and me and my buddy start thinking about our alternatives. The first thing I do is drop all 4 tires down to 12 lbs. Then we
wander out across the "dry" lake and scrounge up anything we can find to put under the tires----all the stuff we found was stuff that others had used
to get themselves out of the "mud" in long years past---old lawn chairs, tables, flat rocks, and stuff like that. One by one, we jack up the 4 corners
of the truck (I did have a huge steel foot-base for my highlift jack), and stuff this furniture under the wheels-------I know that this is only going
to work one time, and I do a lot of real praying, which is unusual for me. By the way, all this preparation for this one-time "push" to get out takes
about 2 1/2 hours to accomplish.
I get in the cab, start the engine and let it warm up good-------this is a big 460 V8, and if it cannot get me going, nothing can. I put it in second
gear (5-speed tranny) and give it my best keeping the tire-spin to a minimum------AND SLOWLY OUT I CAME!!!!! Houling in sheer extasy, I haul-ass for
the sand dune that the Trooper is sitting on about 1000 yards away, mud flying from my tires, AND I MAKE IT!!!!! miracles of all miracles-----my
prayers are answered!!! I have never felt this "high" in all my life----Yah Hoooooooooo!!!!
Now for the frustrating part------using three of the piddly cigarette lighter air compressors (2 of mine, and 1 of my buddies) we spent the next 2
hours airing my 285's back up to 40 lbs each. We totally burned up one of the compressors, and the other two got so hot that we had to shut them down
time after time to keep them from cooking.
Within days of returning to the USA, I had a Warn 9500lb winch installed, bought a pull-pal, and bought a Quick-Air compressor-------never again am I
going thru what I went thru at BOCA GRANDE!!! I told my wife, Meredith, that all these purchases were "insurance", and totally justifiable like all
other insurance is!!! She made no comment.
BOCA GRANDE is the pits-------don't go there------it will ruin your day, or much worse!!!! Pappy Jon is absolutely right----that "dry playa" looks so
hard and non-muddy!!!! The crust is about 2 inches think----- and below that is HELL !!! Never again!!!! (and I knew better ???)
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KylesBahiadrean
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Hahahaha all
The stories seem so familiar.. we were on the gravel bar the entire time and we decided that across would be a shortcut..WRONG... unknown amount of
hours of driving one truck back to BDLA , getting another truck , dropping our ladies off at the house in Bahia..getting some tools and help
together...long story short my buddies dad knew the guys working on the road they helped, they also had a tractor but wanted to try the trucks
first... after we got the truck out , they took us back to the ranch to wash off, drink some coffee and beer .. they showed us their new horses and we
paid the men and took off back to Bahia with the sun going down...
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JZ
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Can you drop GPS coordinates?
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KylesBahiadrean
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28°38'26"N 113°08'05"W · -0.24 ft
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David K
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At the top of this 2009 map, Boca Grande (on the coast):
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| Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean | Been there done that ...LOL...this is right outside of Bahia San Rafael... took us probably 3-4 hours and luckily we were able to hire some guys that
were working on the road to help us dig... took two trucks a 2017 Tacoma , 1988 Toyota pickup to pull out a 2015 Tacoma.. Toyota POWER !!!
[Edited on 7-21-2020 by KylesBahiadrean]
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Great job boys! I always have some plywood with me like you had in the photo. Bet the Tecate tasted pretty dam good after that workout.
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JZ
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Thank you.
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