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Marla Daily
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LAUNCH RAMPS CLOSED TO GRINGOS
The Launch Ramp in Loreto has been closed to gringos or anyone without a Mexican captain going out in their own boats/pangas since March. We've lived
in Loreto for 30+ years and never before been stopped from launching. We are senior residents. (We don't even fish!) The port captain is
intransigent—says it is the "new law." Nothing to do with covid. Anyone have additional info?
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Sometimes Mexicans love making rules. Usually the rule writer has some logical basis for the rule,... that is illogical or offensive to the ruled.
Until the rule changes, Get a kayak, and you can launch most anywhere
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Marla Daily
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Kayaking and stand-up paddle boarding not allowed either!
[Edited on 8-13-2020 by Marla Daily]
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The anti-ramp-launch rule is probably the dream of panga captains looking for sport fishing customers.
Is the anti-kayak/paddle board rule due to covid?
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That about takes the cake! I hope someone can clue us in as to what is going on.
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Might be a small misunderstanding on both parts, it seems, the port captain requires you inform them of the departure with a list of passengers, and
those passengers should be following covid procedures. Try to hail on the proper channel to inform of departure with vessel name and/or manifest or
submit a letter with boat name, manifest, itinerary, and plan for covid precaution e.g. each person will sit with safe distance. Follow the same plan
each departure and return. Announce the return as well on VHF, not sure of the channel, though likely 14? listen for others to hail the port captain
and follow the same procedure. This has occurred at every other launch as well, La Paz, LB, LV, Todos Santos, San Jose, Los Cabos and has been
resolved through clear communication of requirements and compliance.
[Edited on 8-13-2020 by gnukid]
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In Loreto, the guard at the launch ramp stops anyone —non Mx. captain—trying to launch. There is NO exception if it isn't a MX captn. No
misunderstanding. Guard said to go to the port captain. Port captain says "it's the new law." No more information. And although it began during covid,
it isn't related to covid precautions. Gringos are not allowed to launch their boat. Period. And as to "captain", my husband is a Master
Mariner—highest license in the world! Go figure.
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"This is not, America...sha la la la la."
-David Bowie
Best of luck to all affected. 
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Quote: Originally posted by Marla Daily  | | In Loreto, the guard at the launch ramp stops anyone —non Mx. captain—trying to launch. There is NO exception if it isn't a MX captn. No
misunderstanding. Guard said to go to the port captain. Port captain says "it's the new law." No more information. And although it began during covid,
it isn't related to covid precautions. Gringos are not allowed to launch their boat. Period. And as to "captain", my husband is a Master
Mariner—highest license in the world! Go figure. |
you say this ban applies to use of ramp to launch.
are sailboat cruisers still coming and going without restriction?
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In. Other parts of Mexico no such law or no enforcement. All Americans boycott this launch ramp no to any sport fishing boats. Let the a holes eat
beans from now on. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by Marla Daily | | In Loreto, the guard at the launch ramp stops anyone —non Mx. captain—trying to launch. There is NO exception if it isn't a MX captn. No
misunderstanding. Guard said to go to the port captain. Port captain says "it's the new law." No more information. And although it began during covid,
it isn't related to covid precautions. Gringos are not allowed to launch their boat. Period. And as to "captain", my husband is a Master
Mariner—highest license in the world! Go figure. |
This "law" has ZERO to do with any virus prevention.
There is no misunderstanding whatsoever.
A Mexican captain, with his clients, shows up at the ramp, and off they go.
There is NO radio communication, departure notification or any other "mandated" contact rules with the Port Captain.
That captain isn't even out of bed at 6 am.
A gringo with his boat shows up with 2 buddies and it's a no go. Period
I live two blocks from the ramp in Loreto and it's on my morning walk routine.
The man (API) who monitors the launching, is buddies with ALL the pangueros. They launch at will. There is NO check in or ANY other means of virus
prevention.
Ironic to the max is that Arturo, the ONLY operator of a panga fishing fleet in town and is the husband of the very person who inked that rule. The
president of the town.
What this does is funnel ALL the sportfishing money to the MX pangueros.
If a gringo wants to go fishing here, they cannot do it from their own boat.
They are forced to hire a MX captain and use his panga......to the tune of $250 clams
Marly Daily.....even though your husband is a Master Mariner captain, he lacks the proper nationality to be able to use that ramp.
A buddy of mine and I tried in his MX born panga and with a local MX skipper to no avail. And we have a combined 80 years of boating experience. ONLY
MX skippers on their boats is the mandate.
It boggles the mind that a gringo boat owner (captain) is going to subject his buddies to the virus out on the open Sea while angling, and a MX
captain with his two clients is not.
It's a crystal clear money grab approved by and strictly for MX pangueros.
Yes they have been hard hit due to the lack of gringos coming here to go fishing. Is that reason enough to keep gringo boats off the ramp and from
going fishing?....seems so
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It may be getting closer to time to apply for citizenship! But that could mess up their agenda. Gringo's watching one gringo using the ramp, not
knowing he is a citizen might raise hell!! But it is Mexico!!! All rules are only temporary!
" Don't find fault, find a remedy; anyone can complain." Henry Ford
If you are not living on the edge...you are taking up to much space!
Just because it may not be a good idea does not mean it will not be fun!!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by Marla Daily | | In Loreto, the guard at the launch ramp stops anyone —non Mx. captain—trying to launch. There is NO exception if it isn't a MX captn. No
misunderstanding. Guard said to go to the port captain. Port captain says "it's the new law." No more information. And although it began during covid,
it isn't related to covid precautions. Gringos are not allowed to launch their boat. Period. And as to "captain", my husband is a Master
Mariner—highest license in the world! Go figure. |
This "law" has ZERO to do with any virus prevention.
There is no misunderstanding whatsoever.
A Mexican captain, with his clients, shows up at the ramp, and off they go.
There is NO radio communication, departure notification or any other "mandated" contact rules with the Port Captain.
That captain isn't even out of bed at 6 am.
A gringo with his boat shows up with 2 buddies and it's a no go. Period
I live two blocks from the ramp in Loreto and it's on my morning walk routine.
The man (API) who monitors the launching, is buddies with ALL the pangueros. They launch at will. There is NO check in or ANY other means of virus
prevention.
Ironic to the max is that Arturo, the ONLY operator of a panga fishing fleet in town and is the husband of the very person who inked that rule. The
president of the town.
What this does is funnel ALL the sportfishing money to the MX pangueros.
If a gringo wants to go fishing here, they cannot do it from their own boat.
They are forced to hire a MX captain and use his panga......to the tune of $250 clams
Marly Daily.....even though your husband is a Master Mariner captain, he lacks the proper nationality to be able to use that ramp.
A buddy of mine and I tried in his MX born panga and with a local MX skipper to no avail. And we have a combined 80 years of boating experience. ONLY
MX skippers on their boats is the mandate.
It boggles the mind that a gringo boat owner (captain) is going to subject his buddies to the virus out on the open Sea while angling, and a MX
captain with his two clients is not.
It's a crystal clear money grab approved by and strictly for MX pangueros.
Yes they have been hard hit due to the lack of gringos coming here to go fishing. Is that reason enough to keep gringo boats off the ramp and from
going fishing?....seems so
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so where is the nearest ramp that freedom-loving foreigners can use to launch?
this ridiculous rule will impact only local expats. the people driving down from san diego to fish will just skip loreto all together.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Marla Daily | The Launch Ramp in Loreto has been closed to gringos or anyone without a Mexican captain going out in their own boats/pangas since March. We've lived
in Loreto for 30+ years and never before been stopped from launching. We are senior residents. (We don't even fish!) The port captain is
intransigent—says it is the "new law." Nothing to do with covid. Anyone have additional info?
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Some clarification, please........
If a gringo hires a Mexican captain to skipper his boat, are they being allowed to launch?
If a gringo hires a panga to take him fishing, are the gringos allowed to go?
It will probably do no good to boycott the ramp. Who would that actually affect, financially?
You need to spread the word in town that you and your gringo friends will be spending nothing at bars and restaurants, etc., until this singling out
of private boaters is ended.
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this was posted on bloody decks in June.
no foreign boats, no one over 65 on mex boats.
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According to City Hall and the Port Captain of Loreto, ONLY a Mexican panga captain can take you out fishing off of Loreto and then with ONLY 2
fishermen effective today June 15th.
And if your a tourist and 65 years of age or older, you CANNOT go fishing period.
Local foreign nationals who live here, or tourist foreign nationals who towed their boat to Loreto and want to go fishing in that boat, CANNOT.
By some wave of the magic wand, the powers that be in Loreto have determined that ONLY a MX sport fishing captain can shield you from the pangs of the
Covid virus
If anyone had plans to travel to Loreto and were towing your own boat, you CANNOT USE IT right now.
Likewise, if your flying here to go fishing and are over 65, you CANNOT go fishing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Ironic to the max is that Arturo, the ONLY operator of a panga fishing fleet in town and is the husband of the very person who inked that rule. The
president of the town. |
So this is an ordinance local to Loreto, being enforced by API?
Weird, I thought those guys were federal. How does the chain of authority work in the Federal Zone?
(Actually, the question is how's it supposed to work; we all know it doesn't necessarily happen that way).
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Arturo is the local jefe of API in Loreto
Arturo also happens to operate the one and only panga sportfishing fleet in Loreto
Arturo is also the husband of the Presidente of the municipal.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | this was posted on bloody decks in June.
no foreign boats, no one over 65 on mex boats.
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According to City Hall and the Port Captain of Loreto, ONLY a Mexican panga captain can take you out fishing off of Loreto and then with ONLY 2
fishermen effective today June 15th.
And if your a tourist and 65 years of age or older, you CANNOT go fishing period.
Local foreign nationals who live here, or tourist foreign nationals who towed their boat to Loreto and want to go fishing in that boat, CANNOT.
By some wave of the magic wand, the powers that be in Loreto have determined that ONLY a MX sport fishing captain can shield you from the pangs of the
Covid virus
If anyone had plans to travel to Loreto and were towing your own boat, you CANNOT USE IT right now.
Likewise, if your flying here to go fishing and are over 65, you CANNOT go fishing.
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And it remains, although someone saw fit to recall the over 65 rules.
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I am not a member of Bloody Decks but if somebody wants a nice fishing house for the Bay of Concepcion and Sea of Cortez without the obvious
complications in Loreto than please feel free to post these on Bloody Decks.
I'd prefer a single person or a couple but with some negotiation it could be shared amongst a group of anglers over the year. Split the houses, boat,
equipment and get the whole ramp to yourself.
https://bajasur.craigslist.org/apa/7172769569.html?lang=en&a...
https://bajasur.craigslist.org/apa/d/near-the-beach-quiet-pr...
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Arturo is the local jefe of API in Loreto
Arturo also happens to operate the one and only panga sportfishing fleet in Loreto
Arturo is also the husband of the Presidente of the municipal.
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This is the CLASSIC definition of Mexican corruption, right here.
A boycott of other services in the town is the only answer, IME. Trying to go above him is pointless in Mexico.
[Edited on 8-13-2020 by Hook]
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