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WHO begs world leaders to stop using lockdowns to control virus
Who didn't see this coming? All rational ppl without an agenda could see it a mile away. Travel (responsibly) to Baja ppl. Support the economy.
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/whos-stunning-lockdown-...
"We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus," Dr Nabarro told The Spectator.
"The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who
are exhausted, but by and large, we'd rather not do it."
Dr Nabarro's main criticism of lockdowns involved the global impact, explaining how poorer economies that had been indirectly affected.
"Just look at what's happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren't taking their holidays,"
he said.
"Look what's happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what's happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a
doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition."
Melbourne's lockdown has been hailed as one of the strictest and longest in the world. In Spain's lockdown in March, people weren't allowed to leave
the house unless it was to walk their pet. In China, authorities welded doors shut to stop people from leaving their homes. The WHO thinks these steps
were largely unnecessary.
Instead, Dr Nabarro is advocating for a new approach to containing the virus.
"And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work
together and learn from each other."
His message is timely. In a world first, a number of health experts from all over the world came together calling for an end to coronavirus lockdowns
earlier this week.
They created a petition, called the Great Barrington Declaration, which said that lockdowns were doing "irreparable damage."
"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of
the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection," read the petition.
"Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health."
The petition has had 12,000 signatures so far.
It was authored by Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University.
When asked about the petition, Dr Nabarro had only good things to say. "Really important point by Professor Gupta," he said.
Originally published as WHO's stunning lockdown backflip.
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A group of ppl on here should be utterly ashamed of themselves. We have told them exactly this for months and they didn't give a damn about all the
folks in Baja and the US getting hurt by the lock-downs.
And why? Pick your reason(s). Because they are at risk and don't care about the 99.65% who are not at risk? Getting a check from the govt. every
month and don't care what happens to other ppl? Wanted the US economy to tank in an election year?
Shame on you.
[Edited on 10-11-2020 by JZ]
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The problem with unrestricted movement in USA is that many people in USA are ‘anti-mask,” and think the virus is a nothing burger, so they don’t
practice social distancing and basic public health measures... these people cannot be reached with reason and logic, so you got to clamp them down
(trump is a prime example of one of the dolts, and de facto leader of the dolts)
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | The problem with unrestricted movement in USA is that many people in USA are ‘anti-mask,” and think the virus is a nothing burger, so they don’t
practice social distancing and basic public health measures... these people cannot be reached with reason and logic, so you got to clamp them down
(trump is a prime example of one of the dolts, and de facto leader of the dolts)
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Have you actually traveled in the last few months? Or just sit in the basement watching CNN?
I've been to CA, OR, AZ, NV, GA, OH, and FL. To about 50 different towns/cities. A very high % of ppl are wearing masks and distancing.
You have a shameful agenda that is evil to the poor ppl of Baja.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | The problem with unrestricted movement in USA is that many people in USA are ‘anti-mask,” and think the virus is a nothing burger, so they don’t
practice social distancing and basic public health measures... these people cannot be reached with reason and logic, so you got to clamp them down
(trump is a prime example of one of the dolts, and de facto leader of the dolts)
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Have you actually traveled in the last few months? Or just sit in the basement watching CNN?
I've been to CA, OR, AZ, NV, GA, OH, and FL. To about 50 different towns/cities. A very high % of ppl are wearing masks and distancing.
You have a shameful agenda that is evil to the poor ppl of Baja.
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A pity you visited so many places and did not open your eyes.
214,000+ dead in USA. And red-state USA still rejects masks as some kind of socialist plot.
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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How about THAT ?
Who Woulda Thunk ?
A MAGATeer holding up the WHO as an authoritative reference.
Rather than part of the One-Worlders International Socialist Conspiracy.
Next thing you know we'll see those Wolverines laying down their arms and coupling with the BLM !
Well, maybe, not.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | Who Woulda Thunk ?
A MAGATeer holding up the WHO as an authoritative reference.
Rather than part of the One-Worlders International Socialist Conspiracy.
Next thing you know we'll see those Wolverines laying down their arms and coupling with the BLM !
Well, maybe, not.
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I'm no Trump fan boy. And why are you attacking me and not commenting on the message in the op?
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JZ, you are an idiot. If the entire world had locked down, closed their borders and mandated mask wearing and distancing back in Feb/March, the virus
would have had no one to infect and it would have been beaten within a month or two. Which would have been the best thing for the economies.
But because of wildly divergent approaches all over the world, and dummies who equate being asked to wear a mask for public health reasons with some
erosion of their supposedly God-given freedoms and rights, the virus is still raging, still killing people and things "open back up" only to have to
close again as infections skyrocket. It's an endless cycle of ignorance and idiocy.
96.65% aren't at risk? That's an unbelievably ignorant statement. EVERYONE is at risk. 20% of those who have tested positive, including those who were
totally asymptomatic and 20-30 years old and in perfect health, are now manifesting heart damage, which may very well be permanent. as well as other
organ damage.
But you and others of your ilk are obviously a lost cause and will continue to spread this virus around and not give a damn who else you expose to
infection.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | JZ, you are an idiot. If the entire world had locked down, closed their borders and mandated mask wearing and distancing back in Feb/March, the virus
would have had no one to infect and it would have been beaten within a month or two. Which would have been the best thing for the economies.
But because of wildly divergent approaches all over the world, and dummies who equate being asked to wear a mask for public health reasons with some
erosion of their supposedly God-given freedoms and rights, the virus is still raging, still killing people and things "open back up" only to have to
close again as infections skyrocket. It's an endless cycle of ignorance and idiocy.
96.65% aren't at risk? That's an unbelievably ignorant statement. EVERYONE is at risk. 20% of those who have tested positive, including those who were
totally asymptomatic and 20-30 years old and in perfect health, are now manifesting heart damage, which may very well be permanent. as well as other
organ damage.
But you and others of your ilk are obviously a lost cause and will continue to spread this virus around and not give a damn who else you expose to
infection.
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What is your opinion on the guidance from the World Health Organization mentioned in the op?
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Sweden didn't do lockdowns.
Here is a crazy idea that just might work. If you are interested in learning something, instead of being a know-nothing parrot for some dogma, search
online for recent articles about something like "sweden lockdown".
If you feel you have learned something of value then come back and educate us, no preaching please.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SunDevil | Sweden didn't do lockdowns.
Here is a crazy idea that just might work. If you are interested in learning something, instead of being a know-nothing parrot for some dogma, search
online for recent articles about something like "sweden lockdown".
If you feel you have learned something of value then come back and educate us, no preaching please. |
Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/briefing/coronavirus-los-...
In a nutshell, Sweden's plan was pretty bad, much higher death rates than most other European countries - But, on the plus side, their response
was far better than the US plan, when you look at deaths per 1000!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | [
What is your opinion on the guidance from the World Health Organization mentioned in the op?
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JZ, please tell me you are not affected with Para disease? You did actually go to the original source and watch the whole interview right?
Or did you just let some right leaning magazine in Australia do the interpretation of the interview?
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 |
JZ, please tell me you are not affected with Para disease? You did actually go to the original source and watch the whole interview right?
Or did you just let some right leaning magazine in Australia do the interpretation of the interview?
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It's direct quotes from the guy. Listen to the video of him saying it.
And you use the NYT as your source ITT? smh
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Read this article yesterday, came here to post it and watch heads explode.
Thanks JZ!
As I figured, personal attacks as defense from the mouth breathers, bravo!
Leaving for Punta Chivato next Monday. Viva Mexico!
I like beer, better than most people.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SunDevil | Sweden didn't do lockdowns.
Here is a crazy idea that just might work. If you are interested in learning something, instead of being a know-nothing parrot for some dogma, search
online for recent articles about something like "sweden lockdown".
If you feel you have learned something of value then come back and educate us, no preaching please. |
Yep, Sweden did not do lockdowns and their death rate is significantly higher than their surrounding countries. Sweden is not happy with their
unfortunate results.
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The bottom line is, you can live life and do many of the things you used to do as long as you use common sense. Wear a mask, wash your hands,
socially distance. If you're young, knock yourselves out and eat and drink indoors. Just stay away from your parents and grandparents. If you're
older like me, enjoy outdoor dining on a breezy day. Would I get on an airplane? No. Would I travel to Mexico right now? No. Not because I feel
it is unsafe but because the LAW in Mexico says essential travel only and that is likely to continue for months If I did have essential travel to
Mexico I sure as hell wouldn't enter a bar or restaurant filled with ugly Americans only there to party and spread their covid to locals who lack the
same quality healthcare we do in the USA.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 |
JZ, please tell me you are not affected with Para disease? You did actually go to the original source and watch the whole interview right?
Or did you just let some right leaning magazine in Australia do the interpretation of the interview?
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It's direct quotes from the guy. Listen to the video of him saying it.
And you use the NYT as your source ITT? smh
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I actually listened to the whole interview JZ, are you familiar with cherry picking information to support your political agenda? the article does
not do a fair job of representing what was said, stuff taken out of context often loses its meaning.
and as for the NYT - as a source, sure - see those graphs, the figures, the numbers, they show where all of that information comes from, so i can
track it back to the original source.
Too bad your Au Right wing rag didn't do the same - eh mate!
and BTW - direct quote from the guy - " Nabarro said lockdowns can only be justified "to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your
resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted. "
thats how lockdowns have been used right? whats the issue here?
the problem is not the "lockdowns" its the idiots who refuse to follow the science and take the precautionary measures we know protects yourself
and other individuals. thats when we get superspreader events, as we are all seeing now!
You want to get back to "normal" we need rapid testing and extensive contact tracing - had that been done in March & April, The economy would be
in much better shape now, the country would be much more "open" and the deaths would have been much lower.
Thats the bottom line - actions taken, and actions ignored - thats what puts us here in this position. 250,000 dead - that number could have been
much lower. I know it doesn't matter to some of you, unless of course you or a loved one is part of the 250,000 - then its a bit different -
right!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | A group of ppl on here should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
[Edited on 10-11-2020 by JZ] |
It must be devastating for the group of Pandemic Experts here on BajaNomad.com to be contradicted by both other BajaNomad.com experts but also a
leading scientist at the WHO. I think they must retire from internet prognostication in disgrace.
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5 Charts That Show Sweden’s Strategy Worked. The Lockdowns Failed
Sweden’s “lighter touch” seems to have tamed COVID-19. While many European countries that implemented lockdowns are witnessing a resurgence of
the virus, Sweden’s cases and deaths remain a stark contrast to other European nations.
https://fee.org/articles/5-charts-that-show-sweden-s-strateg...
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| Quote: Originally posted by apple | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | A group of ppl on here should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
[Edited on 10-11-2020 by JZ] |
It must be devastating for the group of Pandemic Experts here on BajaNomad.com to be contradicted by both other BajaNomad.com experts but also a
leading scientist at the WHO. I think they must retire from internet prognostication in disgrace. |
another one who didn't bother to watch the actual interview eh! figures!
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