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Cliffy
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"The end game is the election"
My postulation has remained the same since March-
COVID will magically disappear from the news Nov 4th no matter who gets elected.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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mtgoat666
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Nobody is “locked down.” Government has simply told you to practice social distancing and wear a flocking mask. A few irresponsible communities
have been told to temporarily restrict certain activities, because the citizens can’t or wont follow social distancing requirements And have
pandemic raging amongst them.
Regarding restaurants failing, restaurants always fail, they shall return. Anyhow, even without restrictions, the majority of right-minded customers
do not want to eat out in midst of pandemic respiratory disease...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | Nobody is “locked down.” Government has simply told you to practice social distancing and wear a flocking mask. A few irresponsible communities
have been told to temporarily restrict certain activities, because the citizens can’t or wont follow social distancing requirements And have
pandemic raging amongst them.
Regarding restaurants failing, restaurants always fail, they shall return. Anyhow, even without restrictions, the majority of right-minded customers
do not want to eat out in midst of pandemic respiratory disease...
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Hopefully the govt. takes everything you have one day and gives it to someone else. On that day I hope you realize the err of your ways.
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Hopefully the govt. takes everything you have one day and gives it to someone else. On that day I hope you realize the err of your ways.
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Wow, you are mainlining "Donald's Hard KoolAid" with that comment. I'm sure you're going to be just fine huddled down in your gated community.
John
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Lockdown ? What Lockdown ?
Reading and listening to the Whine, Moan and Groan occasioned by the inconsistent and (mostly) unenforced "curtailments",
it's interesting to see what is occurring in other regions as the COVID virus returns with a vengeance.
From the Irish Republican News:
" ..... After weeks of vacillation and infighting, the Dublin government has responded to inexorably rising levels of the coronavirus in Ireland with
a stringent, six-week ‘level 5’ lockdown.
The deeply unpopular move could, if successful, allow a high level of normality to be restored in time for Christmas -- but if not, it could threaten
the stability of the three-party coalition.
Taoiseach Micheál Martin announced the restrictions that the 26 Counties will endure for six weeks, from Wednesday night. He put the onus on the
public to abide by the new rules, declaring his government “cannot fight the virus alone”.
As with the first lockdown in the Spring, all non-essential retail outlets will have to close, as well as hairdressers, salons, gyms, museums and
galleries. Pubs, cafes and restaurants will only be able to serve takeaway.
People will not be allowed to travel beyond 5km from home unless for essential purposes, with police will monitor and issue
fines to those deemed to be breaching the restrictions.
People wil only be permitted to go within five kilometres of their homes for exercise, and will not be permitted to visit the homes or gardens of
others anywhere. People will be allowed to meet up outdoors with one other household within 5km.
Weddings will remain limited to 25 guests until the end of the year, and funeral limited to just ten people. Schools and creches will remain open,
however, and construction, manufacturing and top level sports will be permitted to go ahead if deemed ‘essential’. People are asked to work from
home where possible.
Those living alone, parenting alone or vulnerable can have close contact with one other nominated household.
Meanwhile, the special Pandemic Unemployment Payment is to be restored to €350 a week, but only for those previously earning €400 or above, with
lower payments for those on poorer incomes.
“We work to suppress the virus when it is growing and we work to reopen as much of our society and economy as possible when it is safe to do so.
Until we have a safe vaccine, we must continue in that pattern,” Mr Martin said.
This is the reality, he claimed, in the rest of the world, but he acknowledged restrictions in the 26 Counties had been draconian in comparison with
other states.
“Where are we now in that cycle? In the effort to suppress the virus, we have introduced what is probably Europe’s strictest regime.
“As a result of this, we can see some evidence that these restrictions have been effective in slowing the growth and spread of the virus.
“However, as these figures show, these restrictions on their own have not been enough to significantly reduce the levels of infection,” Mr Martin
said.
Further action is now required, he insisted, as a potentially grave situation lay ahead otherwise.
A ‘zero Covid’ strategy of locking down the island and using the sea as a barrier to infection was “not an option”, he declared, and he said
the so-called ‘herd immunity’ approach of allowing the disease to spread was also “non-negotiable”.
“I understand the sense of disappointment, loneliness and despair this announcement will bring. Even as the winter comes in there is hope and there
is light,” said Mr Martin.
“If we pull together over the next six weeks we will be able to celebrate Christmas in a meaningful way,” he added.
In the past week, some 7,500 more people have tested positive for carrying the virus, and a total of 18 have died. The number currently infected in
the 26 Counties is estimated at up to 50,000, while the numbers of patients in intensive care units is 34 ....."
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There are clearly two streams of thought, there is an integrated plan to create a theme of pandemic, regardless of criteria, number of deaths, of
evidence of a unique illness. All the while, today, there are practically zero deaths of common influenza which was typically the cause of millions of
deaths, supposedly, annually, now those deaths are swapped out as categorized os CV deaths? Why?
Each year it seems a new pandemic is announced, promoted, SARs, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, etc. though those also have had little impact while being
exaggerated, recall, under Obama they admisttedly stopped testing for whatever it was called then and maintained the call for millions of deaths from
pandemic, while none existed, and they did little about it.
Today, there are mass mobility restrictions, denial of that is absurd, few can go to work, doing so is against the rules. Few can go to church, gym,
parks, restaurants, schools, any facility one has strict requirements to stand 2 or meters apart, stand within a circle, use unknown chemicals submit
to untrained people pointing lazer pistols at you, stand in chemical trays, many cities and states have up to 14 day quarantines for those arriving
out of state, such as Hawaii, and regions in Canada, while other states have no restrictions, and no increases in statistical cases/deaths.
There is no relationship from statistical evidence of actual evidence of pandemic, to successful policy and action. If there was an illness that
required action we could/would have invested in health infrastructure, but we did not. There is no health discussion of vitamins, minerals, diet,
exercise, fresh air, rest, or of actual causes of colds and flu which include environmental toxins.
Instead, the focus has been altering human way of life, a Global Reset, Technological Revolution that promotes robotics, automation, simulation,
ecology, changes in transportation to reduce cars, alter energy use and promote wind and solar, reduced use transit and mobility, oddly, deferred
general health appointments.
Traditionally, there are two theoretical types of health approaches, homeopathic and allopathic, as well, two theoretical approaches to illness, cell
(terrain) theory and germ (viral) theory. Those two distinct paths focus on either the idea that cause of illness is external influence or internal
influence, either your behavior, diet, exercise and environment are the cause of illness or some external germ/viral toxin.
The USA has largely adopted a biopharma approach with a focus on medicine and procedures to address symptoms of illness, that approach depends on
"Health Policy for Profit" while the result is entering a hospital and engaging medical care is among the most high risk actions you can pursue, often
resulting in death. The US health policy is among the most expensive and highest risk in the world, yet few question it. Few seem to recall history
and prefer to believein the next miracle cure.
Few recall Fauci and Gates promoted AIDS as a viral infectious disease which is absolutely false. No evidence was ever demonstrated by Fauci to show
the HIV is a contagious virus that is the cause of AIDS, though few remember. Fauci's promotion of the discovery of the cause of AIDS was fraud. Fauci
and his biopharma promoted and sold AZT to fight AIDS, it caused significant harm, and provided no help. They profited. There never existed an actual
test for AIDS though they promoted a long list of tests. Today, no test exists for AIDS other than a variable list of questions, nor does there exist
a vaccine for HIV after more than 40 years, yet he wants you to believe that a fast track today will find a vaccine in one year?
Today, the same test used for HIV/AIDS is used for COVID19, nothing has changed, though few pay enough attention to understand, there is nothing
unique or different today. RT PCR is a general test for any abnormal pathogen and presence of RNA, could be a cold or flu or anything.
World Economic Forum along with various coalitions of Globalists have used these promoted pandemics over and over to profit and control, today is no
different. It is a global strategy to control society, curtail populations, control energy use, all for profit, debt, and now to justify contact
surveillance control.
There will always be those who are willing victims, promoters of their now demise. Evidenced here on Nomads, there is a portion of people who are
unable and unwilling to evaluate statistics, society, history, and prefer to engage in lockstep, precipitating their own demise.
Today, many countries are implementing a new and more extreme phase of lockdown restrictions, Most of Canada, Australia, Great Britain, Wales,
Scotland, much western Europe etc have or are in the process of implementing highly restrictive lockdown with penalties for those who venture out
outside of distance limits for reasons other than the limited allowance, medical care of those who are critical, food, immediate family care, etc.
Some of those countries are aggressively imprisoning those who do not comply, violently arresting women, seniors, anyone who stops out of the limited
set of approved behaviors.
Question: Why are some Nomads defiantly promoting these restrictive policies and failing to question that lack of evidence of pandemic, or the
suspicious repetition of promoted variation of flu like illness, albeit that has always existed, yet now is a compelling reason for altering society,
restrictions of freedom of movement, and justification of deferred health care, resulting in mass loss of wages, reduction in GNP, all the while there
is no overall increase in macro deaths or flu like illness, and a suspicious global policy to promote highly restrictive society with Global Reset?
Science has always been equated with skepticism, science has never meant do not question, accept biopharmas medicine without critical analysis? Never
before has a vaccine been developed, fast tracked and released for any illness and never before has an RNA virus vaccine ever been successful, yet,
here you have a large contingent unwilling to question or use critical thinking to ask is there evidence for justification of restriction, lockdown,
rapid high risk vaccine deployment, unquestioning lockstep with globalists and biopharma intent on promoting pandemic where there is none?
Perhaps today is day to calmly take time to review the long history of these promoted viruses, turn off the TV, investigate what is a virus? What is
WEF Global Reset and why are viral pandemics so often proved as a catalyst for Globalism?
Ask questions.
If you are unable to ask questions perhaps remain cautious and skeptical, while waiting for evidence?
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The Question to be asked IS ...................
........... WTF is wrong with the GNUdist ?
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Cliffy
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gnukid - HOME RUN!!!!!
Why are all the armchair pundits so silent now?
[Edited on 10-22-2020 by Cliffy]
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John Harper
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Not silent, just left speechless. What buffoonery. Absolute nonsense.
I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms?
I wonder how your neighbors would have reacted under potential threat of Japanese bombs? How about if you lived in London during WW2? Would you
light up your house?
Or, like people in medieval times, if you can't see something, it doesn't exist? Are you daft? I think we all know the answer to that one.
John
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Well you have to give Gnuey a bit of credit. he appears to have learned that when he posts a bunch of conspiracy theories and easily proven false
"medical claims" by unqualified individuals with links to websites and references to "support" his contentions, those get checked, exposed for
the fraud they are, and gnuey looks like an illiterate goon parroting ignorance and unicorn glitter!
so now he just makes the unsubstantiated claims without citations.
The good news is we don't have to go check all these websites,
Gnuey, you are completely wrong, you wouldn't know science if it bit right on the sunshine entry orifice you use on a daily basis!
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
Not silent, just left speechless. What buffoonery. Absolute nonsense.
I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms?
I wonder how your neighbors would have reacted under potential threat of Japanese bombs? How about if you lived in London during WW2? Would you
light up your house?
Or, like people in medieval times, if you can't see something, it doesn't exist? Are you daft? I think we all know the answer to that one.
John
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People like newkid and jizz are the type that fought seat belt laws because they thought they were giving up rights. There is no hope for these
ignorant dolts.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms?
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This right here explains everything. Covid is not WW2. You crap on the great and proud men and women who lived through that awful war by suggesting
that. Including my pops.
But some are trying to make it seem like WW2. 1/2 of them because Orange Man Bad.
I don't like Orange Man. But I don't hate him enough to put 340M Americans through hell to get him out of office. Or want him out so bad that 50M
Americans being crushed financially is okay with me.
Goat and others are evil ppl.
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That's a phrase you like to use....it's part of the dog whistle for your kind
Your WW II reference is a bizarre stretch....
The Jiz is unravelling....just as his pal Drump is.
Has your prescription run out?
Don't believe everything you think....
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms?
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This right here explains everything. Covid is not WW2. You crap on the great and proud men and women who lived through that awful war by suggesting
that. Including my pops. |
So doing something irresponsible that might not just affect you, but your entire neighborhood (or town) is not the same? Give me a break.
I'm sure your pops is really proud of you and your attitude toward fellow Americans.
He must have had you very late in life (that might explain things), since my deceased father, who actually fought in WW2, would be 98 years old today.
John
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How much $$$$ are you willing to put on the table to support your belief?
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | .....
I'm sure your pops is really proud of you and your attitude toward fellow Americans.
He must have had you very late in life (that might explain things), since my deceased father, who actually fought in WW2, would be 98 years old today.
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Yeah, I was using all my fingers and toes to compute the math on Jizz's claim.....and came up with something close to your numbers.
Stolen honour ..... and bringing another unsubstantiated claim ( like how many families and IF Jizz supports in Sonora).
How low can a short guy stoop to get attention?
[Edited on 10-22-2020 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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The CV promoted restrictions and advice to wear face masks, isolate, use chemical hand wash, and distance are supposedly to reduce risk to avoid
death, though at best, those measures can only delay the inevitable contact? While the measures also encourage delaying regular health care visits and
optional procedures to reduce risk, while causing significant harm to physical, mental and financial health?
The theory is you reduce risk by being alone at home alone, while deteriorating slowly by reducing risk, instead of living normally, instead of living
a high quality life which includes risk?
Life always has had risk, living life is about risk, since when did living risk free become a rational goal? Since when is risk free a successful
model for survival?
All the while Bill Gates promotes abortion services and population reduction including in his own words, "vaccines to reduce populations", Gates and
Fauci promote mass vaccinations of all people on the globe? Interesting these goals are intertwined to vaccinate all people and reduce populations?
Today, in the USA, near term abortions are approved up to the day of birth in some states? These policies largely harm lower income minority
populations more so than wealthy Caucasians, and these policies have been broadly supported by Gates foundation and Bill Gates sr specifically along
with Planned Parenthood. So here we have these supposed risk adverse promoters promoting aborting babies up to the day of birth?
Many of their promoted vaccines have inadequate testing, yet are promoted and distributed resulting in large scale injury and deaths, as an acceptable
outcome. A recent lawsuit against the USA Gov demanded proof of efficacy of vaccines as required by law, none had been provided in over 40 years?
All the while there is no pandemic, no increase in overall macro deaths, nothing overall different from any other year? We have always had colds and
flu that mutate resulting in millions of deaths a year, yet we never manipulated that into justification for restriction on mobility etc.
The RT PCR CV test can not test to isolate a unique viral infection, and by admission produces gross false positives at %80? No unique CV virus has
been isolated. CV mutations have been known to exist in our population for more than 40 years, even the common cold is a corona virus and can create
a positive result from RT PCR test?
Total global common influenza infections are now practically zero, suggesting they simply swapped out one flu like infection for another?
WHO's official policy is that pandemic has no relation to cases/deaths?
Never before have healthy people been quarantined? Yet now every person is suspected of being asymptomatic carriers requiring restriction?
All small business as many global businesses are under restrictions causing loss of income, while global big box stores like Walmart, Target, Amazon
are growing, effectivling replacing small business competition?
When will people see that tyranny is in place, religion, schools, freedom to gather, even free speech is restricted by tyrannical controls, all based
on fallacious logic and lack of justification, yet, we have masses who adamantly promote these restrictions? Those who are rabid about promoting
restrictions, and measures to control behavior are most often government workers, academics, politicians who are still employed at full wages while
the average workers are largely suffering reduced employment?
Here are the "Haves" rabidly attacking the "Have Nots" for asking basic questions about the cost of restrictions and lockdown versus the justification
of benefit?
Our society is divided into the "rabid tyrannical proponents" for isolation of "healthy people" versus us "normies" who insist lockdown restrictions
are more harmful to health while only delaying an inevitable contact with biodiversity viruses, while we have always had viruses and have always
managed to emerge stronger with shared herd immunity.
More so, those who seem most adamant about restrictions are those who have the worst health, their claim of risk from existing health conditions are
most often DUE TO LIFESTYLE CHOICES, smoking, obesity, alcohol, diet, and exercise, yet, these rabid lockdown restriction promoters won't or can't
make changes on their lives to improve their health? The high risk seniors, who fear their imminent unavoidable death, demand that healthy people,
kids, teenagers, all other people must be restricted to provide some absurd rational that they might live longer, albeit alone, inside, risk adverse.
The lack of ability to see the costs of restrictions all for manipulation and mental gyrations to justify a tyrannical socialist control is the
weakness that is causing the most harm, early deaths of certain lower income, high risks groups, all to support the selfish myopic view that
restricting all ofsiciety might buy an unhealthy senior who made poor lifestyle choices an extra week in the hospital delaying their inevitable death.
So here we are, divided, rabid, risk adverse, high risk, seniors, on pension, demanding all healthy people suffer great consequences, for their short
term delay of the inevitable mortality.
Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your
selfish and absurd demands for tyranny against healthy people. Today, you are the outspoken enemy of freedom and all things that made the USA a place
for risk, and innovation and successful place for small businesses to be able to grow, while you have become militants for tyrannical socialist
control.
Read Goat, Bill, John's post, they consistently attack yet fail to question, defer to evidence, logic, and fail to show respect to others, they
provide no evidence to support their demand for socialist tyranny and instead want to lock children and healthy people inside to justify some idea
that it will reduce their health risk, all the while they can't make their own necessary changes in their life for their personal health?
Here's some advice to those railing for rabid restrictions, "SKIP A MEAL" "EXERCISE" "VEGETABLES" "REST" "RELAX" FRESH AIR" and mind your personal
health as your focus and let healthy people get back to living their lives.
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Lower than a snake's belly.
Maybe his father was Anthony Quinn? He fathered a child at age 81.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your
selfish demands. |
All we've ever advocated is that people listen to the experts and follow health guidelines from our local, state, and federal governments. Something
selfish about being a good citizen? Is it really that difficult to wear a mask? What exactly are you trying to prove? That ignorance and
irresponsibility is a solution?
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your
selfish demands. |
All we've ever advocated is that people listen to the experts and follow health guidelines from our local, state, and federal governments. Something
selfish about being a good citizen? Is it really that difficult to wear a mask? What exactly are you trying to prove? That ignorance and
irresponsibility is a solution?
John
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Experts like Bill Gates, Biden, etc who have no education nor successful background in health, or worse, Fauci who has a long track record of
failures, for example claiming HIV causes AIDS and promoting AZT while personally profiting? Fauci has no on the ground experience, he has a
demonstrated agenda for BioPharma, he is listed as an owner of vaccines, and personally profits, he corrupted both the CDC and WHO, and has been
publicly revealed to have a conflict of interest, resulting in a series of confusing flip-flops and severe harm to our society, while, science is not
a one stop shop, skepticism is science, we must question what is the evidence, what is the risk versus reward, what harm is caused to our broad
demographics through these measures to quarantine healthy people, and worse of all children?
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