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Jack Swords
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden...
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MrBillM
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Live Free and be Like ME !
Treat EVERY single human being (man, woman, child) outside the household as if contact with them would be fatal. Detour away from
anyone not (properly) wearing a mask and maintain space from those who DO.
It ain't foolproof, BUT it sure increases the odds in your favor.
I have come and gone on the roads as I pleased since Day One of the mandates.
Early on, I found the highways, byways and my campground destination nearly deserted. Which was pretty cool. It didn't last, of course, and today
one would realize that the traffic patterns have returned to pre-COVID numbers. The same slowdowns and the same stops in the same places.
Follow MY example. Mask Up - Maintain distance.
And (optionally) also follow my example of never going anywhere without a pistol under the front seat.
Just in case. Stay safe.
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John Harper
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Summit News? Rated quite"low" as far a credibility goes.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/summit-news/
"Overall, we rate Summit News Questionable based on Extreme Right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracies, misleading and unproven stories, and a
complete lack of transparency."
You don't have something more credible to use as source material?
John
[Edited on 10-14-2020 by John Harper]
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del mar
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gracias
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John Harper
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  |
I'm actually very surprised that the older folks on here accept being controlled by the whims of the govt. official in the county, town, or city they
life in. With all the varying opinions of what is safe/ok and what isn't - that's what it has boiled down to at this point, whim/agenda of a govt.
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With age comes wisdom. And perhaps more common sense. Our political officials are elected to lead, so what's wrong with some acceptance of that
reality?
No ones being controlled, we all make our own decisions. It just appears you have some need to mock other's choices. Has anyone stopped you from
travelling? Then, why are you concerned about other's choices? Why not ignore speed limit signs, or ignore warning signs before sharp turns? Isn't
that accepting government control over your personal behavior?
I guess you're okay with "ala carte" respect for the law? A lot like the Bible thumpers, pick and choose parts of the Bible, and ignore others?
John
[Edited on 10-14-2020 by John Harper]
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
With age comes wisdom. And perhaps more common sense. Our political officials are elected to lead, so what's wrong with some acceptance of that
reality?
No ones being controlled, we all make our own decisions. It just appears you have some need to mock other's choices. Has anyone stopped you from
travelling?
I guess you're okay with "ala carte" respect for the law?
John
[Edited on 10-14-2020 by John Harper] |
John,
Jizzy is trying very hard to be relevant, omniscient, and the expert in all things.
Some of us recognize his efforts and find them discomforting, irritating, and disrespectful.
But he doesn't seem to care and plunders onward with his beliefs, often ignoring facts that don't fit his narrative.
While he likes to appear that he resists "big government", he doesn't mind gov't financial handouts while accusing others of being on the gov't
dole....
I am not sure which identity/group he is trying to impress or develop.
Transparent.
Don't believe everything you think....
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pacificobob
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
With age comes wisdom. And perhaps more common sense. Our political officials are elected to lead, so what's wrong with some acceptance of that
reality?
No ones being controlled, we all make our own decisions. It just appears you have some need to mock other's choices. Has anyone stopped you from
travelling?
I guess you're okay with "ala carte" respect for the law?
John
[Edited on 10-14-2020 by John Harper] |
John,
Jizzy is trying very hard to be relevant, omniscient, and the expert in all things.
Some of us recognize his efforts and find them discomforting, irritating, and disrespectful.
But he doesn't seem to care and plunders onward with his beliefs, often ignoring facts that don't fit his narrative.
While he likes to appear that he resists "big government", he doesn't mind gov't financial handouts while accusing others of being on the gov't
dole....
I am not sure which identity/group he is trying to impress or develop.
Transparent. |
well said......both of you.
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sancho
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| Quote: Originally posted by SunDevil | Sweden now has lowest death rate in Europe
At the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, Sweden chose to go for herd immunity by refusing to impose a hard lockdown, meaning bars, restaurants, gyms,
workplaces and schools remained open and vulnerable people were told to shield while mandatory mask rules were avoided.
Despite the mainstream media predicting that this would lead to massive fatalities, Sweden has recorded under 6,000 coronavirus deaths and now has the
lowest death rate in Europe.
The Scandinavian country’s GDP fared better than the rest of Europe and now large segments of the population have developed herd immunity, reducing
the impact of any potential “second wave.”
https://summit.news/2020/10/13/swedish-health-chief-said-cou... |
False information.
COVID deaths per 1 million population:
Sweden 584
Denmark 116
Norway 51
Finland 63
Portugal 208
Spain 715
France 506
Germany 117
Netherlands 389
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Surabi, do you know of a source that would show deaths per million population in the last 60 days or so?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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FWIW on Europe in general. Wintertime is coming.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-europe...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/world/europe/europe-coron...
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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surabi
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Updated daily. There are also graphs there so you can look back at the progression of cases over time.
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Well i guess i owe JZ an apology. Apparently, 85% of those who wear masks are getting Covid! who knew?
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JZ
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From the Washington Post today:
"Europe set a record this week for new coronavirus infections, overtaking the United States in cases per capita."
These guys had massive lock downs. Much stricter than the US.
Bottom line, lock downs don't stop viruses.
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Bajazly
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | From the Washington Post today:
"Europe set a record this week for new coronavirus infections, overtaking the United States in cases per capita."
These guys had massive lock downs. Much stricter than the US.
Bottom line, lock downs don't stop viruses.
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Vatican City, #7, the only "country" in Europe with a higher per capita case rate than the USA, #12 with Spain coming in next at #17. You need to get
below 25 to start seeing any European countries showing up.
What's your real point?
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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JZ
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Coronavirus cases hit records in Europe, surpassing U.S. numbers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-europe-rec...
Europe set a record this week for new coronavirus infections, overtaking the United States in cases per capita.
The alarm echoed warnings from London to Latvia that the virus is rapidly spiraling out of control. France, Germany, Italy, Poland, the Netherlands,
Croatia, Slovakia and the Czech Republic all posted records Thursday.
[Edited on 10-16-2020 by JZ]
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | From the Washington Post today:
"Europe set a record this week for new coronavirus infections, overtaking the United States in cases per capita."
These guys had massive lock downs. Much stricter than the US.
Bottom line, lock downs don't stop viruses.
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Do you plan on reading the article JZ? because it says the lockdowns were very sucessfull in lowering rates, but now since there are no lockdowns,
thats whats driving the new numbers- go ahead JZ - Read it!
when they were "locked down" what was the result JZ? Its not the Lockdowns that are driving these new numbers. And just to be clear - did you
ever go back and actually watch and listen to the interview with the WHO Dr. ? did you? what did he say about lockdowns JZ? what did he say
about appropriate uses of lockdowns JZ?
and then go back and look at the history of lockdowns, and if the served their purpose!
[Edited on 10-16-2020 by caj13]
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 |
Do you plan on reading the article JZ? because it says the lockdowns were very sucessfull in lowering rates, but now since there are no lockdowns,
thats whats driving the new numbers- go ahead JZ - Read it!
when they were "locked down" what was the result JZ? Its not the Lockdowns that are driving these new numbers. |
Is this for real? Do you think that was the point being made? I'll give you a minute to reflect on it.
Let's play chess, not checkers ole boy.
[Edited on 10-16-2020 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 |
Do you plan on reading the article JZ? because it says the lockdowns were very sucessfull in lowering rates, but now since there are no lockdowns,
thats whats driving the new numbers- go ahead JZ - Read it!
when they were "locked down" what was the result JZ? Its not the Lockdowns that are driving these new numbers. And just to be clear - did you
ever go back and actually watch and listen to the interview with the WHO Dr. ? did you? what did he say about lockdowns JZ? what did he say
about appropriate uses of lockdowns JZ?
and then go back and look at the history of lockdowns, and if the served their purpose!
[Edited on 10-16-2020 by caj13] |
You are sure expecting a lot from poor Jizzy.... read something longer than a headline? Comprehending a paragraph or more beyond a sound bite?
He needs a rest from being held accountable.....go easy with your expectations.... 
Don't believe everything you think....
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