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Quote: Originally posted by apple  |
No, it's not. There are about 75 million people under the age of 18 in the US, and if more than 800k of them went missing every year, that would be ~1
of every 90 American children. It just isn't happening. |
Exactly. There would be at least 35 kids disappear from my high school each year if those numbers were accurate.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | I'm not doubting you, but I bet school demographics impact those local numbers. What's the
racial/ethnic and economic makeup of your particular student body? |
Not sure how relevant, but very diverse, as most public schools.
But, if ~35 per year aren't missing from my school, then they must be added (and subtracted?) somewhere else. That might be a bigger issue if that's
the case.
I just used the gnu's latest numbers 800,000/75,000,000 then use my school population of 3000. Comes out to 32 per year. Every year. My original
calculation used 1 million missing, which would be 40 kids per year, every year. At just one school.
Any way you cut it, gnu's numbers don't match reality.
John
[Edited on 12-18-2020 by John Harper]
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gnukid
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More high level human trafficking arrests related to Epstein, Maxwell, etc? How could such a public figure be arrested for high volume level human Sex
Trafficking?
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1987071/jeffrey-epstein-pal-jea...
[Edited on 12-18-2020 by gnukid]
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Human trafficking spikes in Texas amid pandemic
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/...
https://www.kxxv.com/hometown/texas/reported-cases-of-human-...
https://www.montgomerynews.com/soudertonindependent/news/hum...
[Edited on 12-18-2020 by gnukid]
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caj13
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still waiting for your math tutorial on how you arrived at your numbers Gnuey! do you need me to send you a calculator?
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Gnu Math ?
Trying to do Gnu Math can be a challenge since the real objective with the proffered numbers falls into the "Baffle them with
Bullchite" category.
Watching a Fox discussion awhile back when they were still debating the vote numbers, the guest "statistical expert"
gave a lengthy discourse on "statistical probabilities" with various probability ranges i.e. "35K-55K", etc. which the host (taking
the highest point of each range, of course) then aggregated (though some were subsets of the others) and announced that "THAT totals FAR more
than twice Biden's margin so, clearly, there was fraud that MUST be investigated."
As Barbie said ............ "Math is TOUGH !"
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The Fallacy of the Red Herring arguments used to distract and obfuscate from the issue, that belies an insidious intent to minimize an epidemic of
human trafficking, which is to demand that someone 'Prove" [to him] each human trafficking statistic, and if he doesn't accept it, it doesn't exist,
in order to distract from the actual important topic of each victimized children, women, and men in human trafficking across the border of Mexico and
USA.
A primary issue is that many children, are trafficked by their own families.
Generally, in terms of crime, human trafficking, sex exploitation, statistics, average, city to city, year to year, known statistics are extrapolated
to unknown, because, MANY CRIMES AND CASES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING ARE UNREPORTED, the average total reported in USA is 800,000, add the unknown in the
border region, and the number is higher than 800,000 per year, possibly 10x higher.
No one, here on a Baja travel forum, is required to solve every single crime report, prosecute the perpetrator and rescue a victim to prove to
another "Nomad" the volume human trafficking crime exists. Nor has anyone claimed to be expert or owner of the statistical database, except Caj13, so
let him disprove the statistics.
The specific volume of human trafficking is important, each case is important, each case makes up the whole number. For example, to state, many kids
escaped, some kids returned home, the child was taken by a parent, so its not the same as an unknown abduction, those are called red herring arguments
used by someone interested in harming the dialogue with minutia, in order to disuade casual readers.
Here are some general sources of the number 800,000 missing children in USA at anytime, while the actual number would certainly be higher when we
include cross border trafficking, many children brought across the border are outside "the system", with no birth certificate, no social security
records, on the other hand many do have birth certificates, it's a mixed bag of globally trafficked children, from USA, Mexico, and every other
country in the world across the US/Mexico southern border due to the nature of the border, corruption, and lack of enforcement.
If you have questions about the sources contact the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/programs/national-center-missing-and-e...
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/International-Par...
1-888-407-4747 or 202-501-4444.
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
Charles B. Wang International Children's Building
699 Prince Street
Alexandria, VA 22314-3175
800-843-5678
703-224-2122 (fax)
http://www.missingkids.org/
KRON News explains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlDj0mFtIQg
Search for the truth (trailer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-19NsjoPR8
Movies and Documentaries about human trafficking of children in USA/Mexico
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls074338764/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/01/how-many-childre...
"Each year, 800,000 children are reported missing in America" (actual number is higher)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-missing-children-idUS...
“In the United States, more than 800,000 children are reported missing every year, and nearly half end up living on the streets. Seventy percent
will become sex trafficking victims, most within their first 72 hours of living on the street.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/...
"More than 800,000 children younger than 18 go missing each year nationwide, according to the U.S. Department of Justice."
https://globegazette.com/news/iowa/more-than-800-000-childre...
[Edited on 12-19-2020 by gnukid]
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caj13
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Gnuey, everyone here is concerned about runaway and kidnapped children. unfortunately when you start making wild accusations and spouting unfounded
, untrue and misleading information -
That doesn't help the issue -
IN FACT, IT MAKES OTHERS SAY,
THATS JUST SOME CLOWN SPOUTING BULLCHIT AGAIN
It actually distracts from the issue and the solutions.
so I clicked on 2 of your links. the first required a paid subscription,
so i cant see it, but the second , from the washington post -
had this very interesting information"
" But there are huge problems with the 800,000 figure in the first place. While it is mentioned in a document on the NCMEC Web site, the organization
notes that it is old data from 1999, derived from the National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway and Thrownaway Children (NISMART), a
random-sample survey released by an arm of the Justice Department. As we have noted before, this same study is frequently misused for the misleading
claim that 58,000 children a year are “abducted.” (The number of stereotypical kidnappings listed in the report is actually 115.)"
Gnuey, do you understand why we doubt the crap you post - the very "evidence" you present is in fact directly contradicting your claims.
Grow up man, learn to read, think with a critical mind. Your not helping your cause, you are hurting it, and in the meantime making yourself
the laughing stock of the forum.
I left in the 2 sources i checked. maybe you ought to read em - FOR THE FIRST TIME!
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gnukid
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What kind of person argues against awareness of public data about crimes against children?
The highest value we hold is to protect children in our pueblos, from kidnapping, abuse, and human trafficking, yet, a number of "Nomads" argue
profusely, using logical fallacies, distraction, obfuscation, against the publicly available data provided by the best sources available to discourage
awareness about this topic.
These posters tactics belie their intent.
And they are allowed to persist here.
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caj13
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so now we can add not even bothering to read the posts?
Gnuey, you are making a fool of yourself. go back and read my first line,. and speaking of red herrings? holy cow man. You get called out for
posting bullchit, and your response is "nobody cares about these poor kids but me!
You obviously don't believe that, so why even go that route, all it does is further eroding any shred of credibility you might have!
You want to be taken seriously - try posting some actual verified facts - instead of propaganda and lies!
There is good accurate information out there. and why not give us a solution - other than - keep your eyes open!
what happens when we see what we suspect might be a case of kidnapping or sex trafficking? who do we contact? how do we do that? who do we report
it to? How do we follow up.
Instead of running around like chicken little screaming "the sky is falling" and waving around a binder full of Bullsheet and propaganda - give us
some real concrete steps - actions we can take!
And the intimation that I or others here may be complicit in any of these crimes. Sir, that is the most offensive vulgar bald faced lie you have
ever posted. I do owe you an appropriate response, which i will save until I get the opportunity to meet you face to face - when you can them
repeat that allegation to my face - man to man, instead of cowering behind your keyboard!
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | What kind of person argues against awareness of public data about crimes against children?
The highest value we hold is to protect children in our pueblos, from kidnapping, abuse, and human trafficking, yet, a number of "Nomads" argue
profusely, using logical fallacies, distraction, obfuscation, against the publicly available data provided by the best sources available to discourage
awareness about this topic.
These posters tactics belie their intent.
And they are allowed to persist here. |
Paul,
You are obsessed with talking about children, trafficking and pedophilia, but you are a middle aged man with no children. Me thinks your obsession
with children (along with repeating every hokey right wing conspiracy theory) is creepy.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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As St. Paul * * Said .....................
" ....... Let It Be .......... "
Let him go without the useless challenges. When Gnutty prattles on over missing minors, discuss the effect (due to COVID) of the
designated hitter being universally adopted in MLB or something equally important like how Nathan's compares to Hebrew
National. Or, Ball Park All-Beef, for that matter.
The Gnudist feeds on these circular debates. Like Der Donald DoocheBag, his ego is pumped by getting it on. The difference would
be that (unlike Satan's Ginger-Headed Disciple, his ability to influence anyone of importance is zero.
Well, gotta go and setup my trailer for another 30-day.
And, feed the critters.
* * St Paul McCartney, that is.
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