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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 03:09 PM
Punta Chivato to the Pacific, off road


Here is another can you get to there from here threads.

Gone from PC or Mulege to the Pacific via San Ramundo wash lots of times. Looking for another route.
I tried yesterday, leading a group of side by sides. I have been looking on maps and google maps and there is a trail that takes off west at the Guadelupe mission ruins. Found the trail, but didn't get too far up it. Came to a locked gate. Looks like a fairly new addition. No signage at all saying private property. Also, just to the left of it was the typical barbed wire gate with a loop holding it closed, but it was only wide enough for a moto or horse!
You can see on the attached file we tried going up to the trail by another way, but it was washed out.

Really looking to make my way over to the Pacific some way besides San Raymundo/La Bellena. Any help?

Trip was still fun, ended up at Baja Brewing in Mulege for beers and dinner!

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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 03:18 PM


Well that is unfortunate, but good to know. I was hoping to explore that route on my next trip, but was going to try it from the west, heading east.

I may try it anyway, but will plan on the possibility of a U-turn trip! I will report what I find, but don't stand by, it will be a while!




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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 03:37 PM


Well I may have an answer for you if you take too long! My thought was to come at it from the west also.:biggrin:



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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 03:56 PM


Doug,
I have ridden west to east.....if you can find el Patrocino on a map (Almanac) ....take it to San Juan de la Pila, head E and you end up just south of the Guadalupe ruins.....and head south to San Estanislao junction....then east to Mulege.

Killer ride.....

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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 04:03 PM


That looks like the trail I was headed out east on. If you follow it on google earth it goes out by Patrocino. Super bummed it has a gate now.
The trail also shows up on the National Geographic Baja maps.





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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 05:53 PM


I did it in 2011....double track the whole way, but some had only been travelled by horse for some years and was ROUGH....lotsa basketball sized rocks....

I was on an overloaded 690....ran out of water half-way, and was bonked by Guadalupe area.... made it to La Serenidad just before dark....had started in San Ignacio with a group of about 10 guys....

The ride was one of the trip reports I recently posted here.




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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 06:38 PM


Looks like you were trying to get to San Pedro Canyon. A few years ago that was beyond rough (almost impassible) on a light weight motorcycle. If it hasn't been fixed, that gate did you a big favor.

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[*] posted on 2-22-2021 at 07:08 PM


If either of the tracks shown in the file attached above are now passable between the gate you mentioned and El Patrocino, it would be good news.
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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 07:59 AM


Jinete, I'm not able to open the file you attached. What do you use to open it.



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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 08:20 AM


Douglas, what was the dead end "washed out" like? Looks to be the main road that the one with the "locked gate" connects to?
Both roads shown on the CalTopo map...





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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 09:16 AM


Doug,
I was in there from the west side during the major rain event last March.

The eastbound climb east of rancho San Marcos/ San Pedro/ Las Tunas is completely destroyed by hurricanes and is abandoned. Do not waste your time or endanger yourself attempting this dotted line on an old map. The westbound side above the gate you found is equally bad.

We hiked up a bunch of the western side climb and then retreated only to get caught by rain and mud, made it back to San Ig 1100 PM.

I can show you a way out south to San Isidro that is less bad, if you haven't done that before. Goes south up Chuparossa canyon, then down, then up again to hit the junction of road to rancho Guajademi, then south through Rio de Janerio/ El Hondo. 67 miles M to San Isidro. No guarantees the top is passable, but can guarantee it will be rough.


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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 10:04 AM
Mulegé to San Isidro (La Purísima) direct route videos


West of Guajademi...

https://youtu.be/HWxj5HHQXic

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Early version of my map, included this road with a "4WD" along it. I removed that section of road in a later version as it was not one I drove or included in the Baja Bound road guide... at least the first edition of it.



Before it was on maps we were using on Nomad, I added it in on the Baja Topo Atlas from Landon Crumpton. I also highlighted the road to Guajademi. The dashed line north of there is an El Camino Real trail and not passable by vehicle going down the mountain.




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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 12:15 PM


It sounds like the Patrocino to Guadalupe section is beyond the capabilities of my stock vehicles!



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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 04:30 PM


The old road that went from El Patrocino to Guadalupe was washed out from San Juan de la Pila east by a hurricane in 2014. There is another road that bypasses San Juan de la Pila to the north and comes back to the old road. It goes to Ranch Las Tunas closest to Guadalupe. But from R. Las Tunas to Guadalupe is only for horses according to the ranch owner. Some biker guys made it thru a few years ago but had to do a lot of lifting and carrying the bikes over bolders.

The trail from Mulege to San Isidro is a great run if open.
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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 05:11 PM


To answer Douglas P's earlier question: The file is a Garmin GDB file. You can open it with Base Camp or convert it to KMZ (Google Earth format) with GPS Visualizer. Let me know if you need help doing that.
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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 06:29 PM


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[*] posted on 2-23-2021 at 09:47 PM


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[*] posted on 2-24-2021 at 04:32 AM


Lots of replies here, thanks.
The trail over to San isidro open, have done that trail a couple times, as recently as January last year. Rough for sure, but doable. We did it in side by sides. Spent the night in comondu and back to PC the next day. Good fun.

Geoff, thanks for the conversion on the file.
Jinete, it looks like I was on the right track, gates suck!

Side note, the ruins at Guadalupe are completely fenced off and no longer accessible.

It sounds like the trail from Guadalupe over is a no go, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna quit looking!

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[*] posted on 2-24-2021 at 10:45 AM


I was at Guadalupe mission twice, 2017 and 2019.
The gate on the first (south) access road (the one at the sign: 'Ex-Misión de Guadalupe') is wired shut. The gate on the next road towards the palms (mission area) which is just a few feet past the fork going to San José de Magdalena [now washed out] at the sign for La Presa, is not locked... like other animal control gates...

The mission site is extensive with many rock walls, stairways, and foundation stones set in the earth. The mission church itself had some adobe walls standing from the rock base in a 1998 photo. Now, the adobe is gone, but the rock walls of the church are there, up on the slope of the hill, above (west of) the modern cinder block building on the pad (at the end of the road with the wired-shut gate.



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