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David K
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Got my one, and am done (Johnson & Johnson), three days ago. No arm pain or anything abnormal since the shot.
They say 2 weeks to be fully protected (as much as the vaccine can protect). Nothing is 100%!
Would love to be exploring Baja again... or leading a tour. Maybe in a few months or next year when the most possible people are vaccinated?
Hopefully, sooner...
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Bajaboy
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Got my second Pfizer shot yesterday. We're heading down in a few weeks.
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Tioloco
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Got my one, and am done (Johnson & Johnson), three days ago. No arm pain or anything abnormal since the shot.
They say 2 weeks to be fully protected (as much as the vaccine can protect). Nothing is 100%!
Would love to be exploring Baja again... or leading a tour. Maybe in a few months or next year when the most possible people are vaccinated?
Hopefully, sooner... |
Tomorrow is not guaranteed. You are good to go now.
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TMW
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I got my second Moderna shot March 2. Doing Death Valley in April then have two Baja trips planned after that.
FYI as of today there have been 95.7 million shots given with 32.9 million being fully vaccinated in the US.
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John M
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We got 'em!
Barbara and I had our second Pfizer on the 10th of Feb - neither of us had a reaction to either. Well, a little sore arm at the injection site was it
- lasted less than a day.
We have two Baja trips on the schedule.
John M
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gnukid
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Mexico has abandoned Pfizer and Moderna mRNA products for traditional actual vaccines like Sputnik.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Got my one, and am done (Johnson & Johnson), three days ago. No arm pain or anything abnormal since the shot.
They say 2 weeks to be fully protected (as much as the vaccine can protect). Nothing is 100%!
Would love to be exploring Baja again... or leading a tour. Maybe in a few months or next year when the most possible people are vaccinated?
Hopefully, sooner... |
I'm going to hold out for the J&J unless it takes too long.
Planning several international trips to Europe and Asia in the late Summer and Fall.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by John M | Barbara and I had our second Pfizer on the 10th of Feb - neither of us had a reaction to either. Well, a little sore arm at the injection site was it
- lasted less than a day.
We have two Baja trips on the schedule.
John M |
Congrats to you guys.
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bajarich
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My two weeks since my second Pyzer shot will be up in two days. That said, I will still only be 90% protected which I read as I still have a 1 in 10
chance of being infected, and I just read that only .4% of Mexicans have been vaccinated. I am almost 75 years old and I wasn't planning on Baja this
year anyway but hope to go next winter after Mexico has done a better job of vaccinating their citizens.
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pacificobob
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3 friends were vaxed with Pfizer in CSL yesterday. is anything you post accurate?
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Bajabus
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I along with about 500 others over 3 days were vaccinated with Pfizer in CSL at Secundaria Technica #19. I got mine 2 days ago. Same was happening
at the Centro de Salud downtown.
That you posted what you did tells me two things. You didn't even bother reading what others have posted before jumping in and commenting. You don't
know what you are talking about.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajarich | | My two weeks since my second Pyzer shot will be up in two days. That said, I will still only be 90% protected which I read as I still have a 1 in 10
chance of being infected, and I just read that only .4% of Mexicans have been vaccinated. I am almost 75 years old and I wasn't planning on Baja this
year anyway but hope to go next winter after Mexico has done a better job of vaccinating their citizens. |
Another way of looking at it is that with no vaccination your chance of dying from Covid is less than 1 in a 1,000.
Now that you are vaccinated you have improved your chances by 90% above that. Not sure what the mathematical formula for that looks like but seems you
are pretty safe. Next year is not guaranteed. Go enjoy yourself before it is too late. You can still use caution to further improve your odds of
staying clear of the virus.
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gnukid
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Risk of death with COVID is practically zero for under 25, less than 2 in 10,000 for those under 65, unless you are over 65 then its less than 4 in
10,000 and those deaths are associated with 2-3 existing severe high risk illnesses. Covid is extremely low risk in the world of viral influenza type
lllness, with no increase or change in deaths with influenza type illnesses year to year. Overall, macro risk of death for all causes remains ~%0.87
unchanged year to year, meaning no pandemic.
CDC Overall Death rate: 869.7 deaths per 100,000 population
You are at much higher risk to die of many other causes than covid, such as heart disease, diabetes, or an accident, slipping in the kitchen or at the
boat ramp.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
While risk from complications of mRNA vaccine interactions add to the risk, mRNA vaccines do not reduce risk from infection or transmission. You can
still become infected and transmit as well the increased production of covid spike protein may have unintended consequences, there have been no long
term studies nor studies on high risk people like those typically at risk of cvid infection.
Traditional vaccines (like Sputnik) may (or may not) reduce risk from infection and transmission.
Mexico is now focused only on traditional vaccines, no longer on high risk and more expensive mRNA experimental gene platforms products. Storage,
transport and distribution proved to be difficult.
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/russia-begins-process...
[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]
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caj13
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why do you purposly continue to post false information here? Is it just because you lack any kind of socil life, and ndesperately need interactions
- even if on line rebutslls pointing out you are wrong, ignornt, and vile?
well, i guess heres your daily contact - quit posting lies, fabrications, bullchit, and politially influenced conspiracy theories.
Maybe try living you life making decisions based on facts, science, history?
But you are in the Dunning Kruger Hall of Fame, so at least you have that to post on your resume!
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caj13
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Time for the daily gnuey kid smack down - where: day after day hes exposed a charlatan selling snake oil based on 14th century medicine,
driven by a complete lack of ability to actually read, digest, and understand actual statitics, math and science -
welcome to gnueys fantasy world of misinformation and ignorance!
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Risk of death with COVID is practically zero for under 25, less than 2 in 10,000 for those under 65, unless you are over 65 then its less than 4 in
10,000 and those deaths are associated with 2-3 existing severe high illnesses. It is extremely low risk, with no increase or change in deaths with
influenza type illnesses year to year. Overall, macro risk of death remains ~%0.87 unchanged year to year.
CDC Death rate: 869.7 deaths per 100,000 population
You are at my higher risk to die of many other causes than covid, such as heart disease, diabetes, or an accident.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Uh - Gnuey - so your using statistics on death to show no effect from covid on death rates - and the data you cite are from 2019. Do you see ANY
issue with that gnuy? think long and hard? consult your himilayan salt sphere housed inside your PVC pyamid surrounded by your Chakra enhancing aura
machine - does that give you ny insights into your data?
While risk from complications of mRNA vaccines interactions add to the risk, mRNA vaccines do not reduce risk from infection or transmission. You can
still become infected and transmit as well the increased production of covid spike protein may have unintended consequences, there have been no long
term studies nor studies on high risk people like those typically at risk of cvid infection.
Stating false information dirrectly in conflict with all availabe data - Uh your wrong here gnuey, your belief has been disproven repeatedly by
various scientists, studies and labs around the world. I'll listen to the experts on this, instead of some crystal licking homeopathy quack with NO
evidence, data or expertise.
for an example of parcticing what i preach: I just had my knee replaced, guess what - i had an orthopedic surgeon with special training (IN FACT
HES THE GUY WHO DOES THE TRAINING FOR OTHERS) and a history of thousands of sucessful operations. It was a realy tough choice though, because my long
trusted house painter told me he coud do it much cheaper and get better results )
Traditional vaccines (like Sputnik) may or may not reduce risk from infection and transmission.
Mexico is now focused only on traditional vaccines, no longer on high risk and more expensive mRNA experimental gene platforms products. Storage,
transport and distribution proved to be difficult.
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/russia-begins-process...
[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid] |
Grow up, step into the light of reality gnuey. one bonus you havent figured out - when you allow your understanding and ideas to be moulded by facts
and data, as the new data come in, it allows for the butressing of your previous belief, or altering the belief based on those new data.
when your beliefs have rely on denial of truth and history and fact for you to maintain any semblence of self esteem or self worth, Gnuey - the
problem is inside the vessel! its not science and medicine that are the enemy - they are trying to lead you into the light of leading a life based
on actual fact!
science has shown you the truth, Demonstated beyond a shadow of a doubt that your beliefs on this virus are wrong - dead wrong and dangerously wrong
- but you have to double down on your ridiculous misinformation to help you maintain your self esteem? You have trapped yourself into a life of
trying to ignore facts and misrepersent science in a sysiphean attempt attempt to hang onto your hopelessly outdated, long ago proven wrong belief
system,
sad that you are completely unwilling to know and understand the truth because it requires you to admit to yourself you are wrong! Let us know when
you think you are ready to dip your big toe into adulthood Gnuey. when you progress past the mental equivalency of a 5 year old who still believes in
santa caus. when you get to that point gnuey - there are adults here in this very room willing to support your attemt to step into the light of
science and reality!
[Edited on 3-12-2021 by caj13]
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gnukid
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Here are the recent stories about Mexico's Vaccine partners. The strategy clearly aligns to non-mRNA vaccines toward traditional vaccines, Sputnik,
Sinovac, and Astro-Zeneca.
Not my opinion, these are simply news reports, do your own research and make up your own mind...
Initially Mexico expected to make deals with all vaccine manufacturers, but that fell apart, largely due to costs, transportation and cold storage
issues.
Mexico's Ambitious COVID-19 Vaccination Strategy Falls Into Disarray
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965703068/mexicos-ambitious-c...
Mexico has ordered 32 million doses of Sputnik vaccine
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/russia-begins-process...
Mexico (Slim) has partnered with AstroZeneca to produce and package that vaccine as well, which is not a mRNA vaccine, actually it is DNA, and does
not provoke protein spike production.
The COVID-19 Vaccine to Be Packaged in Mexico Could Be 90% Effective, According to AstraZeneca
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/360250
How the Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Works
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astra...
México y Argentina producirán la vacuna contra el COVID-19 de AstraZeneca y Oxford
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354712
Mexico to rely heavily on Chinese vaccines
https://www.click2houston.com/news/world/2021/03/09/mexico-t...
How the Sinovac Vaccine Works
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/sinovac-covi...
Detenida la Vacunacion en BCS - Cambio de estrategia
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/detenida-la-vacunacion-en-bcs-est...
Doctors expose untested COVID vaccines, warn of ‘cascade’ of harmful effects and deaths
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/doctors-expose-untested-co...
Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term?
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-b...
Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—let’s be cautious and first see the full data
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-...
Espanol
https://www.bmj.com/sites/default/files/doshi_95_percent_spa...
[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]
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gnukid
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Do the research and the math, there are no more Pfizer or Moderna vaccines being purchased or transported and those that were are no longer destined
for regions away from the border for example to BCS, as reported in the link from BCS noticias.
Total vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna to Mexico are apparently less than 1 millionI see less than 500,000, I can only find reports of a few hundred
thousand and some of those expired due to storage problems.
The requirement for extreme cold storage, costs and transport proved to be difficult, that is the same anywhere but more so in Mexicos due to lack of
infrastructure to support such high tech distribution.
Read the articles, do the research, they account for more than 50,000,000 non-mRNA vaccines (Sputnik, Sinovac, and Astro-Zeneca) to Mexico and
expectation for more and no more Pfizer or Moderna, at the moment.
It is not clear that this is 'Public Policy" but by reading the news it is clear there are no Pfizer or Moderna mRNA types while there are the other
non-mRNA vaccine types.
Not sure why this news is upsetting to you, the good news for people who want a vaccine is that Mexico has partnered to deliver 50 million more
vaccines if you want it, though certainly risks remain with those as well, while the risk from covid infection is low for most, and those that at high
risk are more so at risk from an untested vaccine, as most of these are experimental with no long term testing.
I can see no rational reason why anyone would subject themselves to such a risk at this time with such low benefit.
90 seniors reject vaccine in Loreto
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/en-loreto-90-adultos-mayores-no-s...
[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]
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gnukid
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Accept that there have been a long series of unethical health care decisions, largely motivated by money to incentivize increasing covid risks to
seniors made by politicians in the case of Cuomo, Whitmer, Wolf, Priztker, Newsom and Fauci etc. to codify isolation and lower quality care of high
risk seniors, mix infected and non infected patients, to reduce costs to hospitals, medicare and medicaid, that intentionally, either in negligence,
incompetence or fraud, caused exponential increase in deaths of those seniors with pre-existing illnesses, just as I reported here more than one year
ago.
There is no reason to trust a "politician" with your health, or accept poor decisions, that isolate or abandon you and put you at risk, just as was
done by politicians here in Baja.
Here is ample evidence of incentivizing amplification of covid deaths for profit.
CDC Chief Agrees There’s ‘Perverse’ Economic ‘Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate Coronavirus Deaths
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/31/cdc-chief-agre...
Gov. Cuomo's coronavirus nursing home scandal: 5 things to know
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-andrew-cuomos-coronaviru...
The Hospital Lobbyists Behind Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hospital-lobbyists-behind-c...
Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo...
Cut In New York’s Payments To Medicaid Providers Reduces State Budget Deficit…Slightly
https://wskg.org/news/cut-in-new-yorks-payments-to-medicaid-...
COVID-positive Admissions Were Correlated with Higher Death Rates in New York Nursing Homes
https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/covid-positive-adm...
Cuomo Aides Rewrote Nursing Home Report to Hide Higher Death Toll
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/nyregion/cuomo-nursing-ho...
The Real COVID Nursing Home Scandal Is Why Cuomo And Other Democrats Did It
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/10/the-real-covid-nursing-...
Cuomo admin says total coronavirus deaths in nursing homes is even higher
https://www.foxnews.com/us/cuomo-admin-covid-19-deaths-nursi...
The nursing home scandal is bigger than just Cuomo
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/9/nursing-home...
Feds ask Gov. Whitmer for Michigan nursing home data to see if COVID-19 response warrants investigation
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/08/26/feds-as...
Executive Order 2020-50: Enhanced protections for residents and staff of long-term care facilities during the COVID-19 pandemic - RESCINDED
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52...
Did Wolf’s nursing home policy cost lives? Congress is now asking
https://www.abc27.com/news/local/harrisburg/did-wolfs-nursin...
COVID-Related Nursing Home Deaths In Pennsylvania Fuel Blame
https://hosted.ap.org/citizensvoice/article/7f4438604ef33677...
5 Dem Govs Called to Answer for Nursing Home Mandates
https://www.newsmax.com/us/house-oversight-elderly-vulnerabl...
Pennsylvania House to Investigate Gov. Tom Wolf Sending Coronavirus Patients to Nursing Homes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/01/pennsylvania-h...
Families: Gov. Pritzker's Nursing Home Liability Order Strips Justice
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/families-gov-pritzkers...
Gov. Pritzker Must Hold Nursing Homes Accountable for COVID-19 Sickness and Death
https://states.aarp.org/illinois/gov-pritzker-must-hold-nurs...
Nursing homes now account for half of all Illinois coronavirus deaths; protesters gather at Pritzker’s house
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/5/22/21267954/...
Are hospitals using COVID-19 causes of death as financial incentives?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/are-hospitals-using...
CDC director acknowledges hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-director-acknowl...
Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac...
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bajatrailrider
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Ken back to your question back to Baja off road. Since covid day one I have had. My freinds from all over states coming here off road with me. We are
careful riding outback little contact with people. Your more likely to get sick in so cal. Then outback in Baja come and enjoy .
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gnukid
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WHO warns of 'false positives' in COVID tests, says some patients might not be 'truly infected'
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/world-he...
'We are flying blind': Fauci was warned in March 2020 of potential false positives in COVID-19 tests
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/we-are-f...
"It has been widely reported in the social media that the RT-qPCR test kits used to detect SARS- CoV-2 RNA in human specimens are generating many
false positive results and are not sensitive enough to detect some real positive cases, especially during convalescence."
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/emails-who-term...
Emails and other records of Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. H. Clifford Lane from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showing that National
Institutes of Health (NIH) officials tailored confidentiality forms to China’s terms and that the World Health Organization (WHO) conducted an
unreleased, “strictly confidential” COVID-19 epidemiological analysis in January 2020.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/dcnf-v-hhs-nov-2020-...
independent journalist in China pointing out the inconsistent COVID numbers in China to NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious
Diseases’ Deputy Director for Clinical Research and Special Projects Cliff Lane
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/h-clifford-lane-md-bio
According to a rundown of PCR tests compiled by the Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics, many manufacturers of PCR tests set the cycle threshold
cutoff for a positive sample at up to around 40 cycles, a level numerous public health officials believe is guaranteed to return what are effectively
false positive results that have detected fragments of the virus.
SARS-COV-2 MOLECULAR ASSAY EVALUATION: RESULTS
https://www.finddx.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FIND_SARS-...
Former White House Chief of Staff Meadows says Dr. Fauci only constant in his 'inconsistency'
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/former-w...
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