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The Flu still killed 50K Americans a year prior to COVID and it’s been around 100 years, plus we’ve had vaccinations since the ‘50s!
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While you are spot on in general, this is an intentional exaggeration, there are fewer deaths associatedto flu every year, in 2004, CDC reported,
after review, excess deaths from flu are less than 1000.
What is clear is that deaths from flu are exaggerated to promote vaccines, which are more harmful than the flu.
[Edited on 3-24-2021 by gnukid]
[Edited on 3-24-2021 by gnukid]
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Good Covid reference https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine
[Edited on 3-24-2021 by gnukid]
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gnukid,
There has been excess mortality because of COVID. People who would have died anyway have died of COVID! People who wouldn't have died now have died.
We will argue forever over which was worse the disease or the lockdown. Long term I think the lockdown will have an effect long after we get a COVID
shot along with our flu shot each year.
To date 126+ million doses of vaccine have been given in the US. In that population (25% at least one shot) you would expect about 15K people to die
each month normally from all causes.
Even if your numbers are correct (?) you still vaccinate! You also prosecute those who lied to cover up the mistakes they made like Cuomo of NY and
applaud those who pushed to get vaccines in record time!
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Lee,
Neither lockdowns nor ventilators ultimately save many COVID patients! Both buy time. Without a vaccine ultimately everyone who could get COVID would
get it unless the virus mutated as it does and became less deadly. Note that hasn’t happened yet!
If the guy you love hate hadn’t bought hundreds of millions of doses of “blue sky vaccine” and pushed the FDA we wouldn’t have it now. There
were just under a million people vaccinated the day Joe was sworn in!
Unless you are an ex-Marine MD, I probably know more about this than you do! I’ll match you a dumb ass Liberal for every dumb ass Conservative you
name too! There were Liberal vaccine deniers before this ever stared!
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For the record, I've been a never Trumper for 5 of the last 6 years. The guy disgusts me as a person (policy was ok). And of course, Covid is a
very deadly and serious plague (although, it doesn't have a death rate of 3% as Surabi says, we'd really be in trouble if that was true, and that's as
ridiculous as Gnukid's nonsense).
But watching the left weaponize Covid to get Trump out was a bridge too far. Especially when combined with defund the police, labeling whites as
white supremacist, and allowing riots to rage across America for months.
I'll always be in the middle. But the far left with its backing of the media, what is going on at universities (my twins are in college now so I see
it), big tech, and the idea that govt. is responsible for providing for everyone will destroy America if not checked.
I really hope some of you realize this.
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Hardly. 
The sole purpose of that site is commercially promoting naturopathic doctors. So first, there's quite a conflict of interest.
And secondly, all the Covid/mask/etc articles are authored by Colleen Huber, who appears to have little credibility with so many folks - going back
even before Covid, and noted prominently as a "quack" by others.
Noting this site as a "good Covid reference" (emphasized at least twice in this thread!) negates any credibility for someone who would choose to
promote it as such. Or maybe it's just me? YMMV
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/logical-take/202007/...
https://skepticalinquirer.org/2020/03/beware-the-naturopathi...
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/justice-prevails-cancer-...
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I know one of the doctors in this video. The other 20 or so doctors that live in this area strongly disagree with his opinion. The vocal minority
always seem to get the headlines. This video does not represent the opinion of health professionals in Canada.
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Good Covid reference https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine
mRNA can affect DNA. One of the most worrisome risks with a mRNA vaccine is what can happen with reverse transcriptase. This is an enzyme in every
cell, and it can theoretically lead to the mRNA creating changes in the cells’ DNA, a process known as viral retro-integration. Although this
possibility had been thought unlikely, MIT and Harvard scientists found it happened here. If some of the 30 trillion or so cells in your body become
permanent COVID factories, what is the long-term impact on your health, and would you want that outcome?
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Note how insidious this quote is. It doesn't say the vaccine will affect your DNA. It says it can happen. Thus the author has not effectively lied to
you but he has achieved his goal - to poison your mind with doubt. Since we really aren't knowledgable enough to know whether this particular vaccine
mRNA has the ability to perform reverse transcripterase, or even know what that is, the author has achieved his goal. It's really the same strategy
used to sway public opinion on global warming.
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Do you have a criticism of the content with sources to add or contradict to the statements, versus personal attacks, which are logical fallacies?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Good Covid reference https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine
mRNA can affect DNA. One of the most worrisome risks with a mRNA vaccine is what can happen with reverse transcriptase. This is an enzyme in every
cell, and it can theoretically lead to the mRNA creating changes in the cells’ DNA, a process known as viral retro-integration. Although this
possibility had been thought unlikely, MIT and Harvard scientists found it happened here. If some of the 30 trillion or so cells in your body become
permanent COVID factories, what is the long-term impact on your health, and would you want that outcome?
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Note how insidious this quote is. It doesn't say the vaccine will affect your DNA. It says it can happen. Thus the author has not effectively lied to
you but he has achieved his goal - to poison your mind with doubt. Since we really aren't knowledgable enough to know whether this particular vaccine
mRNA has the ability to perform reverse transcripterase, or even know what that is, the author has achieved his goal. It's really the same strategy
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This is hardly a critique, if you want to share more about RNA and how it works in your body, perhaps you can be more clear why you object to the
phrase which is hardly the primary point, but is apparently your primary objection?
This is known as a straw man fallacy.
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Good Covid reference https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine
mRNA can affect DNA. One of the most worrisome risks with a mRNA vaccine is what can happen with reverse transcriptase. This is an enzyme in every
cell, and it can theoretically lead to the mRNA creating changes in the cells’ DNA, a process known as viral retro-integration. Although this
possibility had been thought unlikely, MIT and Harvard scientists found it happened here. If some of the 30 trillion or so cells in your body become
permanent COVID factories, what is the long-term impact on your health, and would you want that outcome?
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Note how insidious this quote is. It doesn't say the vaccine will affect your DNA. It says it can happen. Thus the author has not effectively lied to
you but he has achieved his goal - to poison your mind with doubt. Since we really aren't knowledgable enough to know whether this particular vaccine
mRNA has the ability to perform reverse transcripterase, or even know what that is, the author has achieved his goal. It's really the same strategy
used to sway public opinion on global warming. |
This is hardly a critique, if you want to share more about RNA and how it works in your body, perhaps you can be more clear why you object to the
phrase which is hardly the primary point, but is apparently your primary objection?
This is known as a straw man fallacy.
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You yourself need to brush up on what straw man fallacy is because you have used it inappropriately. As far as how RNA works - I understand it better
than you ever will. You have demonstrated that here over the last several months. You've been copying and pasting material you don't even understand.
I have been correcting your misinformation throughout. How's that for straw man fallacy? I'm not going to get into a peeing contest with contradicting
links but here is Australias explanation about why it approved the Pfizer virus amongst all the myths out there. Many of them you have been quoting on
this board.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-25/pfizer-vaccine-misinformation-on-safety-myth-busted/13089550
Note the difference between your quote that provides unsubstantiated information with 'it may...' versus this article with plainly states that 'it is
NOT a retrograde viral snippet'.
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A year into the pandemic and we know that hundreds of thousands didn't have to die. Had former president a$$hat acted sooner, had stopped denying
there was a problem, been more pro-mask, the outcome would have been different.
Lockdowns work, as do masks and distancing. Believe what you want to believe.
Just stop spreading disinformation on this forum looking for a debate to demonstrate how ignorant and uneducated you are.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A year into the pandemic and we know that hundreds of thousands didn't have to die. Had former president a$$hat acted sooner, had stopped denying
there was a problem, been more pro-mask, the outcome would have been different.
Lockdowns work, as do masks and distancing. Believe what you want to believe.
Just stop spreading disinformation on this forum looking for a debate to demonstrate how ignorant and uneducated you are.
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well said lee. X2!
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A year into the pandemic and we know that hundreds of thousands didn't have to die. Had former president a$$hat acted sooner, had stopped denying
there was a problem, been more pro-mask, the outcome would have been different.
Lockdowns work, as do masks and distancing. Believe what you want to believe.
Just stop spreading disinformation on this forum looking for a debate to demonstrate how ignorant and uneducated you are.
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well said lee. X2! |
If you go back to the original post, JZ makes his point.
You guys can keep believing that a cloth mask works, or that the 6' BS is effective. Either way, you are ignoring the evidence.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A year into the pandemic and we know that hundreds of thousands didn't have to die. Had former president a$$hat acted sooner, had stopped denying
there was a problem, been more pro-mask, the outcome would have been different.
Lockdowns work, as do masks and distancing. Believe what you want to believe.
Just stop spreading disinformation on this forum looking for a debate to demonstrate how ignorant and uneducated you are.
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Blaming Trump is funny. Do you also blame Governor Newsom or Governor Cuomo?
I guess I already know the answer. A bit hypocritical dont you think?
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I'm not saying Trump didn't make mistakes.
But Cuomo surely is far worse than Trump. He killed so many seniors who didn't need to die. Wrote a book about it to receive praise months into the
pandemic. Covered it up. And treated everyone he came into contact with as subhuman. On top of crushing millions financially and emotionally.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | I'm not saying Trump didn't make mistakes.
But Cuomo surely is far worse than Trump. He killed so many seniors who didn't need to die. Wrote a book about it to receive praise months into the
pandemic. Covered it up. And treated everyone he came into contact with as subhuman. On top of crushing millions financially and emotionally.
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JZ, you know these "enlightened" liberals are going to attack you for saying that. It all comes back to being compassionate. If you claim to be
compassionate you can do whatever you choose. If you say it how it is, you are a Neanderthal. But they always claim to be tolerant- until you disagree
with them.
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Keep discussing USA politicians, and this thread goes to off-topic!
Just sayin'.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A year into the pandemic and we know that hundreds of thousands didn't have to die. Had former president a$$hat acted sooner, had stopped denying
there was a problem, been more pro-mask, the outcome would have been different.
Lockdowns work, as do masks and distancing. Believe what you want to believe.
Just stop spreading disinformation on this forum looking for a debate to demonstrate how ignorant and uneducated you are.
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well said lee. X2! |
If you go back to the original post, JZ makes his point.
You guys can keep believing that a cloth mask works, or that the 6' BS is effective. Either way, you are ignoring the evidence.
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Geesus. Who are you?
Ignoring the evidence? You mean from JZ, CNN, and Desantis? Are you serious? You believe that's evidence?
And let me get this straight. You think masks and distancing = pointless. That's the debate, amigo. You believe JZ, CNN and Desantis. I
don't.
Get the vaccine or don't. Don't try to make a political point about a pandemic. Unconscionable.
If you study Microbiology, you'll understand the efficacy of masks and distance. Homework, bud.
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Regarding masks, I wear a mask pretty dutifully. Even had one on at the outdoor dog park today. I have wondered how much it really does help and
suspect it's much less than some have suggested.
Note cases are down 29% since Texas eliminated the mask mandate two weeks ago. Remember, just because the govt. doesn't have a mask mandate, doesn't
mean ppl won't wear masks. Florida never had a mask mandate. They allowed ppl and businesses to make their own choices.
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