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advrider
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Tioloco, I think that point is lost on many here in fairy tale land, smoke another one and flip the GD album over.
RFClark, I agree on the bear spray on Mexico, but that's probably just more check thumping. You know having a plan is some Rambo stuff!
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Glidergeek
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I know a guy that got caught in TJ with a rifle and a pistol in a borrowed van. He spent 6 mos in prison (I believe La Paz prison) before his mother
paid over $50K to get him back into the USA. His stories weren't pleasant of prison life in MX.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | | As I said elsewhere, every time I think about putting a gun in my car in Mexico I rewatch the last part of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Bear
Spray is as ar as I’ll go! |
Perhaps you should watch Bruce Lee movies, and take some karate lessons.
Or watch Rambo movie and buy a Bowie knife
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | As I said elsewhere, every time I think about putting a gun in my car in Mexico I rewatch the last part of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Bear
Spray is as ar as I’ll go! |
Perhaps you should watch Bruce Lee movies, and take some karate lessons.
Or watch Rambo movie and buy a Bowie knife |
The reason for bear spray is a non-lethal deterrent that you can use from a distance. If you have to resort to karate or knives, you've lost the
fight already.
Maybe you're the one who has watched too many Rambo and Bruce Lee movies?
John
[Edited on 8-16-2021 by John Harper]
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RFClark
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In regard to a “Plan B”. Does anyone have any idea where the “authorities” hang in Gonzaga if the Military is gone? The market forted up a
year or so ago with lights and razor wire but I doubt they are armed!
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mtgoat666
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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RFClark
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Goat,
3 letters, RPG! The best offense is to run like hell!
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advrider
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I wouldn't even think about a gun in Mexico, hell I'm not taking one on my thru hike of the PCT next year either, saving weight! Bear spray is a good
idea, always nice to keep some distance away from any hostile people. Not a good idea to take karate or a knife to a gun fight, maybe just do the
fainting goat and play dead?
[Edited on 8-16-2021 by advrider]
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Skipjack Joe
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Bear spray in a gunfight? Bad idea.
It works on a bear because they have no idea and keep coming.
Bear spray on a burglar? Good idea.
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4x4abc
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just Covid - everyone is an expert
Harald Pietschmann
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Alm
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In Mexico pepper spray isn't legal for a tourist either.
Don't remember their regulations on "bear spray", this is almost same thing, if you use it on a person they might charge you with using a weapon.
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JZ
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How much is the bullet proof Raptor?
Sounds like a good idea.
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JC43
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Like we say about the FMM;
Having a gun, it is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! |
Here in this thread we have the finest example how stupid Gringos can be. Even those in leading positions!!! (I am saying Gringos and not `Americans´
b/c the U.S Citizens do not have another name. And the Canadiens or Mexican or Peruvians are Americans as well. But most of them not as stupid)
Example # 1:
A Gringo, a gun owner, is driving along a Mexican road. Around a curve -- a road block. Two pick-ups blocking the road and behind them 4 bandidos w/
rifles aiming at the Gringo. Now this is what happens: "Wife, where did you hide the gun"????? "Oh hubby, in the back under the rear seats". Go
and get it !!!! Wife crawls into rear and is getting the gun. Hubby pulls down the left window pointing w/ the gun towrds the bandidos, hoping to
scare them off. "Wife, smash the windshield ---- I cannot aim"!! Wife has an ax handy and smashes the windshield. Meanwhile the bandidos realizing
the gun in the left hand of the Gringo and starting to open fire in self-defense. Wife is hit just between the eyes. Kid in rear badly wounded.
Gringo gives up. Bandidos are leaving.
Summary: What did the smart GunOwener gain??? Make your pick.
Example # 2>
Another Baja traveler / not a gun woner (maybe not a Gringo as others do not use guns) comes to the same curve. Pick ups in place blocking the road.
Rifles aiming like before. The driver stops. Remains calm. Bandido aproaching the car asking for money. Driver hands over his wallet (never has more
than 1000 MX Pesos in his wallet. The other money is hidden somewhere. Also as a precaution for bad Police guys in CD Constitution) Same w/ spouse.
Money changes hands. Bandidos are leaving. Now in this example the worst case senario: Bandodos are asking for the car, getting it and leaving. So
far so good.
What did this driver gain? His and his families lifes in the first place. And the hidden money. A new car to buy is cheaper than a funeral.
Any more questions , stupids ???
Now, even this can happen to example # 1.
The gun owner is a very experianced John Wayne Wanna-Be. He managed to kill all 4 bandidos with his automatic sharp-shooting long barrelled
auto-aiming gun. And nothing happend to his family.
Now, driving off? Impossible. More cars behind him. So waiting until Police arrives. Questions asked??? Not much!!! Hand cuffed and up into jail -
maybe for ever. At least he will be killed in that Mexican jail as he killed 4 Mexicans.
Gun lovers like those who are supporting to have a gun in Mexico and using it O N L Y if there is the need for. (see example above)
Do you think you are smart?  :
I for may part don`t think so.
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monoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Wait a minute guys, I don't know anything about firearms, I've never pulled a trigger.
So......I have a question.
You're armed and come upon a roadblock that's obviously not law enforcement guys.
When do you pull out your handgun? And then what? Kill someone and hope the other guy doesn't have an AK-47?
[Edited on 8-15-2021 by SFandH] |
Some people have watched too many Dirty Harry movies. Most of these Rambos
would probably soil themselves before they could get their weapon out and the carjackers would end up with a nice new pistol along with their vehicle.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Like we say about the FMM;
Having a gun, it is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! |
Here in this thread we have the finest example how stupid Gringos can be. Even those in leading positions!!! (I am saying Gringos and not `Americans´
b/c the U.S Citizens do not have another name. And the Canadiens or Mexican or Peruvians are Americans as well. But most of them not as stupid)
Example # 1:
A Gringo, a gun owner, is driving along a Mexican road. Around a curve -- a road block. Two pick-ups blocking the road and behind them 4 bandidos w/
rifles aiming at the Gringo. Now this is what happens: "Wife, where did you hide the gun"????? "Oh hubby, in the back under the rear seats". Go
and get it !!!! Wife crawls into rear and is getting the gun. Hubby pulls down the left window pointing w/ the gun towrds the bandidos, hoping to
scare them off. "Wife, smash the windshield ---- I cannot aim"!! Wife has an ax handy and smashes the windshield. Meanwhile the bandidos realizing
the gun in the left hand of the Gringo and starting to open fire in self-defense. Wife is hit just between the eyes. Kid in rear badly wounded.
Gringo gives up. Bandidos are leaving.
Summary: What did the smart GunOwener gain??? Make your pick.
Example # 2>
Another Baja traveler / not a gun woner (maybe not a Gringo as others do not use guns) comes to the same curve. Pick ups in place blocking the road.
Rifles aiming like before. The driver stops. Remains calm. Bandido aproaching the car asking for money. Driver hands over his wallet (never has more
than 1000 MX Pesos in his wallet. The other money is hidden somewhere. Also as a precaution for bad Police guys in CD Constitution) Same w/ spouse.
Money changes hands. Bandidos are leaving. Now in this example the worst case senario: Bandodos are asking for the car, getting it and leaving. So
far so good.
What did this driver gain? His and his families lifes in the first place. And the hidden money. A new car to buy is cheaper than a funeral.
Any more questions , stupids ???
Now, even this can happen to example # 1.
The gun owner is a very experianced John Wayne Wanna-Be. He managed to kill all 4 bandidos with his automatic sharp-shooting long barrelled
auto-aiming gun. And nothing happend to his family.
Now, driving off? Impossible. More cars behind him. So waiting until Police arrives. Questions asked??? Not much!!! Hand cuffed and up into jail -
maybe for ever. At least he will be killed in that Mexican jail as he killed 4 Mexicans.
Gun lovers like those who are supporting to have a gun in Mexico and using it O N L Y if there is the need for. (see example above)
Do you think you are smart? :
I for may part don`t think so.
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I'm laughing at the geriatric nomad crowd as well talking about how they'd karate chop their way out of a bandido hold up. Or shoot it up just like
they'd do back home at Walmart. We all know they'd chit their grown up diapers. If you are afraid to drive at night, there is no way you'd go toe to
toe with the bad hombres that Trump is afraid of.
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willardguy
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by advrider | If you can legally carrying a gun then you have an obligation to avoid trouble and should have the verbal skills to deescalate a situation, not be
confrontational because you have a gun! When your dealing with a meth fueled tweaker things can go bad fast and de-escalation may be futile!
Its called concealed because no one should know you have it, just glad we are all free to choose. |
Right you are!
Like we say about the FMM;
Having a gun, it is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! |
don't kid yourself, you never want to see David in full AGGRO mode!
[Edited on 8-16-2021 by willardguy]
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advrider
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LOL, are you guys serious? Pull a hand gun on multiple armed thugs with long guns, in Mexico or the US, really? You watch to many movies for sure.
Common sense and wit will get you much further...
Either stop and hope not to get shot or make a run for it? Not much else you can do in Mexico.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | In Mexico pepper spray isn't legal for a tourist either.
Don't remember their regulations on "bear spray", this is almost same thing, if you use it on a person they might charge you with using a weapon.
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I have herd that is the case so ive started keeping a can of wasp spray handy. I never want to use it but i did have to aim it at a thug once.
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vandy
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Look up "wasp spray challenge" and such on YouTube, where people actually get sprayed with wasp spray and pepper spray.
I'd just give a link, but they usually make you sign in.
Don't want kids trying this at home.
The gist of the videos is:
WASP AND HORNET SPRAY DOESN'T DISABLE PEOPLE, AT ALL! Even a prolonged blast covering the face with the stuff doesn't slow down someone.
Pepper spray works, although I'd never bring it to a gun fight.
Good for aggressive dogs, drunks in your camp...oh, better skip that last one.
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David K
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Watch out, Bob and I make a good AGGRO team!
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