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SFandH
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Good satire, an effective way to get a point across. It might work to change the minds of some of the knuckleheads out there.
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Bruce R Leech
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how many of us can remember the hole in the ozone layer fraud that caused the ban o Freon R12 all over the world. a lot of people got rich over that
at the expense of many more
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SFandH
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Hanford is not a fair comparison. Those reactors were hastily built in the late 1940s and 1950s to generate plutonium for weapons. Plus there was a
terribly messy reprocessing plant to extract the plutonium from the irradiated uranium fuel rods. The radioactive waste was carelessly buried in tanks
that have been leaking for decades. They are not power reactors. Whole different story.
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Hanford is not a fair comparison. Those reactors were hastily built in the late 1940s and 1950s to generate plutonium for weapons. Plus there was a
terribly messy reprocessing plant to extract the plutonium from the irradiated uranium fuel rods. The radioactive waste was carelessly buried in tanks
that have been leaking for decades. They are not power reactors. Whole different story. |
The last time i checked Hanford was storing 40 percent of all the nuclear waste ever produced in the US (shipped as well from other areas)and the
state and federal governments were still arguing over who was responsible to remediate the leaking storage as the bill grew ever larger. The second
temporary containments installed are also now suspected of leaking. This one is refusing to go away. |
All of the nuclear waste at Hanford was produced at Hanford during the production of Pu-239 for nuclear weapons. And it could be a very large
percentage of all the waste there is. That is one nasty place that is heavily contaminated.
The federal government is responsible, there's no argument about that.
Production of Pu-239 (it does not exist in nature) has stopped because we have enough of the crap to destroy the world 100 times over.
Power reactor waste (spent fuel) in the US is stored on-site at the power reactors. It is not moved around.
I'm confident this is true. If you have info to the contrary, post the link. I'll take a look.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site
[Edited on 9-4-2021 by SFandH]
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and the palm tree?
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | But here is the real challenge we are facing today. How to at least stop this growth and find realistic alternatives soon. China and then Germany top
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An important phenomenon to keep an eye on is the thawing of the permafrost. That will release tons of methane which will be like throwing gasoline on
a global warming fire. Coal-fired power plants will be trivial. I'm not optimistic.
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Palm trees, boulders, roads, boat launch ramps, etc... They all are just as far above the sea now as when they were first observed, 50, 80, 100 years
ago.
Nobody is saying things are static... everything changes! Just the change is not at the rate or degree the hyper-active climate experts need to scare
more dollars out of your pockets! No, they still fly around in private jets, have multiple homes, some on the coast...
Someday the palm will be sitting in water and will die... all living things will die. The reason I picked the El Coyote Beach Palm cluster is that it
sits right above the normal highest tide line (inches above). Photos of it date back to 1936 and it has been on many book covers from the 1950s to
today. It is still inches above high tide after 80+ years.
Boat launch ramps installed 50-100 years ago in San Diego are still being used... They are not underwater yet!
In 1953:
In 1971:
In 2016:
In 2017:
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NASA map of sea level change
This map covers 1994-2015.
Sea levels are not rising equally across the globe. The west coast of North America is one of the few places where the rise has been minimal. Baja has
been very little affected by it so far.
DavidK is familiar with this map yet still continues to peddle his story about the palm tree proving there is no change in sea level. Why?
PS If you study the map you will understand why the Solomon Islands are having issues.
[Edited on 9-5-2021 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | This map covers 1994-2015.
Sea levels are not rising equally across the globe. The west coast of North America is one of the few places where the rise has been minimal. Baja has
been very little affected by it so far.
DavidK is familiar with this map yet still continues to peddle his story about the palm tree proving there is no change in sea level. Why?
PS If you study the map you will understand why the Solomon Islands are having issues.
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1) I have never seen that map before.
2) I have never said the sea level is not changing... It has always changed, like the climate. It is that we are not alive long enough to witness such
slow changes...
3) "Sea Level" is a base of elevation measurement... It is not static. High and low tides change the level by many feet in some places, daily. We can
tell where the average high tide line is and use it around the world.
The palm, and all other visible structures along the sea I named is just an easy proof that the panic and scare is unwarranted. Science is the
practice of observation, not prediction. Examining the relation of a fixed point to the sea level, is science.
Even IF the sea level was rising faster than we can see over 100 years, what do you think man can do about it?
Answer: Nothing, other than to adapt... move higher, etc. That is what all living thing do when their environment changes... those with brains,
anyway! Stop the panic and scare. It is wasted energy and doesn't help.
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I should have posted a link to that map:
https://www.space.com/30379-nasa-sea-level-rise-model-video.html
A map such as this was posted on nomads by SFandH about 5 years ago. So I am not posting anything new.
There isn't a single explanation for all areas where the seas are rising. The reason in the Pacific seems to be related to water temps. The cold
currents coming from the gulf of alaska could be the reason why the levels are lower on the pacific coast. The higher levels in Hudson Bay and near
Greenland could be due to ice melt next to the nearby ice shelves.
Florida is in trouble.
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Something not mentioned (because it takes away the climate alarmist theories) is that land also moves from tectonic and natural forces. Baja used to
be snug against Mexico's mainland. Some lands rise and some fall... That makes the sea look lower or higher than before. Pacific islands that are not
active volcanoes are sinking... Natural erosion, compression, etc. When islands sink, the sea appears to be be rising.
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The bottom line is giving govt. more money and power isn't going to do a damn thing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | I should have posted a link to that map:
https://www.space.com/30379-nasa-sea-level-rise-model-video.html
A map such as this was posted on nomads by SFandH about 5 years ago. So I am not posting anything new.
There isn't a single explanation for all areas where the seas are rising. The reason in the Pacific seems to be related to water temps. The cold
currents coming from the gulf of alaska could be the reason why the levels are lower on the pacific coast. The higher levels in Hudson Bay and near
Greenland could be due to ice melt next to the nearby ice shelves.
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Original source is the following - and for the years covering 1992-2014:
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/11927
https://sealevel.nasa.gov
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Two sources from NASA quoted above. One estimates sea level will rise 4" in the next 30 years, the other shows a maximum rise of 2.7" from 1994-2015
in some places and no rise at all on the west coast of North America. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
To put it in perspective, if the predictions prove correct in 30 years a house in the South Campos that has today water lapping at the top step during
the very highest king tides will have an inch of water on the tile floor in the living room. Its not as if a billion people in Bangladesh will
suddenly be up to their necks and migrate en masse to Europe; it just means that in a narrow strip of coastal real estate in places that already flood
during high tides will flood a few more inches.
And yet, the media would have you think that the ocean is going to rise by 40-50 feet, by some reports. Its just hogwash sensationalism. Perhaps
also a manifestation of a collective subconscious realization of the undesirable effects that fossil fuels, industrialization, and the internal
combustion engine are having on the planet, with or without a rise in sea level.
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Lencho,
I do not have the reference, but I read a recent article about a new island that was discovered in Greenland, the northern most island on earth. The
island was said to be about fifty feet above sea level and the author noted that it could soon vanish due to rising sea levels. With a straight face.
More common is a tendency by journalists to automatically blame rising sea levels any time there is a flood. "Rising sea level due to global warming"
is reflexively given as the reason whenever there is a flood when in actuality the cause was a high tide or a storm surge. Very common when reporting
floods in Miami.
There is a distinction between "Rising sea level" and "Tides". While tides do increase water levels, it is not because the entire ocean is rising.
It is because the gravity from the moon and or wind caused the water to rise in a localized area.
To avoid giving the wrong impression let me also say that I am an ardent environmentalist. I fondly recall the initial stage of the pandemic when
everything shut down. Suddenly the air was clean, the roar of traffic was silenced, and the animals came out of hiding. It was nice.
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The head of FEMA was on Chris Wallace's show yesterday. Chis played a clip for her of NY's mayor going off about the hurricane prediction models
being so inaccurate.
Her answer was to blame the inaccuracies on, you guessed it, Climate Change.
Two minutes later, she admitted not knowing the science behind climate change.
Smh at these wind bags.
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Don Pisto
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come down to who are you gonna believe, bajanomad or NOAA?...choices choices choices!
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaric |
And yet, the media would have you think that the ocean is going to rise by 40-50 feet, by some reports. Its just hogwash sensationalism. Perhaps
also a manifestation of a collective subconscious realization of the undesirable effects that fossil fuels, industrialization, and the internal
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In last 120 years, sea level rose 3 to 6 inches.
Scientists estimate that change in next 80 years will be on order of 10 to 40 inches.
Sea level change will not be same in all areas. Tectonics and water temp cause regional variation.
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I lose sleep at night knowing that my favorite camping beaches will be under water by the time I am 100 years old! Official cause of my
insomnia....Climate change!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Obviously, they like the palm tree photos!
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