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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | It'll be interesting to see what the electric trucks' quality turns out to be. My bets on on Ford or Rivian for decent quality for rough use. The
battery replacement issues will be the big question. Already hearing reports they are not available on some models when they go after 10 years. Built
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EV tech isn't there yet for trucks. They lose more than half of their range when towing.
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My F150 when towing get less that half the MPG and when driving solo.
Plugin Hybrid (PHEV) wins for towing. No long delay to get a recharge.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | It'll be interesting to see what the electric trucks' quality turns out to be. My bets on on Ford or Rivian for decent quality for rough use. The
battery replacement issues will be the big question. Already hearing reports they are not available on some models when they go after 10 years. Built
in obsolescence. |
EV tech isn't there yet for trucks. They lose half of their range when towing.
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Really is a moot point where they are now as if you ordered one today, you'd be waiting 2-3 years before yours got made, so you would be receiving
whatever battery tech exists 2 years ahead. They cannot ramp up to meet the flood of orders that came in on either Ford or Rivian, despite the pricing
increases lately. Wait lists just to get a test drive are months ahead.
I had an order in on a Rivian SUV 1 1/2 years back, finally cancelled it and expanded the building instead. My deposit was back in my account within 3
days. Ford F-150 Pro model is about 60% of the pricing on the Rivian SUV.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/models/f150-...
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
That is crazy.
Yet at least 3-4 cabinet members have told Americans in the last 6 months to buy EV's so they don't have to worry about the price of gas.
Like they have $67K (avg EV price) laying around and now you are telling me even if they did, there wouldn't be one to buy??
The US is a Bizarro World right now.
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yes, exactly, I have spoken to several people who attempted to order EV's recently and were told they would have to wait 1 to 2 years, so they bought
new gas trucks instead. They need to put their cash to work now, not hold it in reserve for a sometime in the future liability. After hanging onto my
order for a year, I finally decided there was no point waiting for some future promise of filled order, needed a tuffer truck for my use now. Maybe
later....
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My daughter put nearly 300,000 miles on her Toyota Corolla. When it came time to replace it, she bought another Toyota Corolla. 
I have a 2008 Toyota RAV4 that hasn't given me a single problem. If it weren't for the fact that I'm unable to garage it I could probably hold onto it
for another decade.
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It's going to take a few years for the EV truck froth to settle, and for the recently announced investment surge in fast charging stations to bear
fruit. I'm planning my 2016 RAM 1500 Ecodiesel for 5 more years. It also gets a 50% range reduction when towing my camper trailer from 25 highway
to 12. But there's a big difference between being able to go from 600 to 300 miles before adding fuel vs 200 to 100 before an extended time to
recharge.
Last year RAM teased an onboard gas generator range extender. A small gas engine that doesn't directly power the drive train but instead charges the
battery. Yes, still using gas but it seems a whole lot less of it to go the same distance. This seems like it could be a super efficient way to use
gas and make the truck Baja-capable before there's a solid charging infrastructure there.
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Geezo! Here we go again!
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all the usual suspects
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Perhaps you mistook the promotion of solar, windpower, and hydro installations while shutting down coal fired plants and replacing them with the above
or much cleaner natural gas cogen plants with carbon capture sequestration as political issues? I'm sure my posts promoting both Rivian and Ford EV
trucks aren't political. The commitment to increase renewables as power sources by 2030 in California and provide that with remotely sourced hydro?
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obviously you don't grasp the concept of the "baja forum"...take your platform elsewhere
take the two other knuckleheads with you
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I see nothing changes here. Movin on.
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BAJA BLOW HARDS AT IT AGAIN 
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And ... it was nice to see all but one of the windmills just North of La Paz running steadily last time I was down in May. Solar farm seems to be up
and running again as well.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | And ... it was nice to see all but one of the windmills just North of La Paz running steadily last time I was down in May. Solar farm seems to be up
and running again as well. |
30% of USA energy produced last month was renewables - solar, wind etc.
renewable electricity is now much cheaper that fossil fuel electricity - even though the deniers ignore that fact!
over 50% of potential car buyers are planning to buy electric for their next car. (hey JZ - compare apples to apples - New EVs are not appreciably
more expensive than comparable gasoline vehicles. and the EVs have much higher profit margins for the manufacturers - go figure. Things have
changed in the world - making many deniers "objections" look pretty silly, unfactual, and ignorant!
BTW - for comparison - I put 17K miles on my Toyota corolla hybrid (53mpg)over the last 6 months - had I done that in my pickup that gets 22 mpg
it would have cost me about more than double - in this case an extra 1600 bucks - the corolla is paying me to drive it,
my solar on my home - I havent paid electric bills for a year - that saves me 3K a year -
this going green is so hard and so expensive - uh rigghhttt - it pays off big in my pocket book , and is better for the earth!
The world is changing for the better - even if we have to drag the deniers who grasp onto their ignorance and lack of fact into the 22nd century.
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | And ... it was nice to see all but one of the windmills just North of La Paz running steadily last time I was down in May. Solar farm seems to be up
and running again as well. |
30% of USA energy produced last month was renewables - solar, wind etc.
renewable electricity is now much cheaper that fossil fuel electricity - even though the deniers ignore that fact!
over 50% of potential car buyers are planning to buy electric for their next car. (hey JZ - compare apples to apples - New EVs are not appreciably
more expensive than comparable gasoline vehicles. and the EVs have much higher profit margins for the manufacturers - go figure. Things have
changed in the world - making many deniers "objections" look pretty silly, unfactual, and ignorant!
BTW - for comparison - I put 17K miles on my Toyota corolla hybrid (53mpg)over the last 6 months - had I done that in my pickup that gets 22 mpg
it would have cost me about more than double - in this case an extra 1600 bucks - the corolla is paying me to drive it,
my solar on my home - I havent paid electric bills for a year - that saves me 3K a year -
this going green is so hard and so expensive - uh rigghhttt - it pays off big in my pocket book , and is better for the earth!
The world is changing for the better - even if we have to drag the deniers who grasp onto their ignorance and lack of fact into the 22nd century.
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Agreed almost 100%...did you think somehow my post that you referenced was dissing renewables? My primary reason for building in La Paz area in the
first place was to take advantage of the exceptional solar, overbuilding the solar installed to provide additional free power for EV's
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A huge increase over last year?
Your number sounded high to me so I spent a minute to find out.
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The United States Energy Information Administration:
"In 2021, renewable energy sources accounted for about 12.2% of total U.S. energy consumption and about 20.1% of electricity generation."
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=92&t=4#:~:text...
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JDCanuck
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A long way to go yet;.This from Europe:
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/05/eu-to-end-undercounting...
At this point if you want to jump in and the car fits your needs, Tesla model 3 appears worth buying from a financial point of view over 5 years of
ownership. May be why they still have a huge share of total EV sales.
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/14/my-tesla-model-3-tco-es...
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I am guessing that the 30% figure must include hydro-electric.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | And ... it was nice to see all but one of the windmills just North of La Paz running steadily last time I was down in May. Solar farm seems to be up
and running again as well. |
30% of USA energy produced last month was renewables - solar, wind etc.
renewable electricity is now much cheaper that fossil fuel electricity - even though the deniers ignore that fact!
over 50% of potential car buyers are planning to buy electric for their next car. (hey JZ - compare apples to apples - New EVs are not appreciably
more expensive than comparable gasoline vehicles. and the EVs have much higher profit margins for the manufacturers - go figure. Things have
changed in the world - making many deniers "objections" look pretty silly, unfactual, and ignorant!
BTW - for comparison - I put 17K miles on my Toyota corolla hybrid (53mpg)over the last 6 months - had I done that in my pickup that gets 22 mpg
it would have cost me about more than double - in this case an extra 1600 bucks - the corolla is paying me to drive it,
my solar on my home - I havent paid electric bills for a year - that saves me 3K a year -
this going green is so hard and so expensive - uh rigghhttt - it pays off big in my pocket book , and is better for the earth!
The world is changing for the better - even if we have to drag the deniers who grasp onto their ignorance and lack of fact into the 22nd century.
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Agreed almost 100%...did you think somehow my post that you referenced was dissing renewables? My primary reason for building in La Paz area in the
first place was to take advantage of the exceptional solar, overbuilding the solar installed to provide additional free power for EV's
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No JD - I was backing you up! sorry for the confusion. just pointing out so many "reasons" for not going "green" turn out to be fallacy and BS.
Facts is facts -
Whether you still drive your Conestoga wagon and burn whale oil lanterns or not -
the fact is technologies and science just keep advancing - and science doesn't give a damn about peoples Biases and misconceptions!
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Those who continually come up with "reasons" to avoid going green simply want to continue to carry on the lifestyle they enjoy without having to
feeling guilty. If you deny man-made climate change, claiming that the climate has always been changing, you can continue to contribute to climate
change and the disasters it causes, with a clear conscience.They're the kind of people who have bumper stickers saying, "The one who dies with the
most toys wins".
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