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SFandH
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Definitely, vehicles in urban areas should be electric.
Hey, here's an idea, electric street cars. Who was it, GM and Firestone that put them out of business after WWII?
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JDCanuck
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Mexico is heavily subsidizing low electrical users while boosting rapidly into upper tiers for heavier users. It will be quite a while under this
system before low users find an economic benefit to installing solar. This was not the case in middle class residential areas on the mainland 2 years
ago north of Puerto Vallarta, where two to three times a day a truck with loudspeaker went by offering cheap solar systems to locals.
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  |
Electric vehicles are perfect for high-density, urban areas. People don't drive very many miles so the range isn't an issue and there is a huge public
health advantage.
The global warming caused by the CO2 issue has eclipsed the air pollution issue large cities have been dealing with for decades. IC engines are dirty,
especially diesel. They emit visible and microscopic particulates that are making ill and killing the inhabitants of high-density cities. Considering
this, it's much better to have a city filled with electric vehicles that do not pollute the air city dwellers and workers are breathing. That's 100s
of millions of people.
I recently watched an interview with a thoracic surgeon in Mumbai. He said he NEVER sees pink lungs anymore. All his patients have gray/black lungs.
Before it was only cigarette smokers, now it's everybody, even teenagers.
Clearly, the more electric vehicles in urban areas, where there are the most vehicles, the better.
Amazon has started taking delivery of Rivian delivery trucks.
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This makes a lot of sense.
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JDCanuck
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My daughter's hybrid shines in the congested city with all the stop and go driving. Out on the highway it's usefulnss drops off significantly due to
the additional weight that hybrids carry. Would not even consider it for regular off the pavement use in the country. This is where I am hoping the
newer EV trucks will shine if they can get the range up. In that case, running out of battery power isn't much different than running out of gas. You
have to plan accordingly.
NIO came out with emergency rescue recharge vehicles in China along with rapid swap battery stations, and the batteries could be leased and upgraded
later.
This is 2 year old Chinese EV technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw
[Edited on 7-26-2022 by JDCanuck]
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PaulW
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I noticed only 2 PHEVs that meet my criteria of near 50 miles on battery.
Get on of those and I can commute to Baja on IC with ~35MPG then use battery only for daily driving.
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SFandH
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What's the point of responding to it? That's probably why it was made.
Try to forget politics. These issues have been debated since Julius Ceasar's time. He was a progressive. His opponent and leader of the assassination,
Cassius, was the conservative.
[Edited on 7-27-2022 by SFandH]
[Edited on 7-27-2022 by BajaNomad]
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gnukid
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Anyone can do the math, but will they?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335418316_What_Huma...
The atmosphere is made of Nitrogen 78%, Oxygen (O) 21%, Argon (Ar) 0.9% and Trace Gases – 0.1%. CO2 is a trace gas and makes up just 3-4% of trace
gases or 0.03% 0.04% of the atmosphere CO2, human contribution to that 0.03-0.04% meaning human contribution to CO2 is 3% of 3% of 1% or a total of
0.000009% of the total atmosphere, according to USA Gov IPCC own numbers.
CO2 has varied greatly over the long term with historical numbers, before humans much higher than today, above 10,000ppm which resulted in far greater
animal and plant diversity. Macro view we are deficient in atmosphermic CO2 for biodiversity growth. Today, we must inject CO2 into growing houses to
encourage growth, and no evidence that CO2 preceeds temperature, it follows by long cycles. When you contribute CO2 you are contributing to the
symbiotic relationship of plants and animals which in turn increases biodiversity.
Human contribution to CO2 is not a significant driver of atmospheric change, but, of course there are millions of identifiable factors that do affect
the atmosphere, for example, the Sun, volcanic output, chemical aerosol atmospheric manipulation, perhaps military industrial complex output, nuclear
waste, commercial farming practices, and general large scale production waste.
An alternative view is that if we maintained our existing vehicles and reduced mass production of EV we would significantly reduce environmental
impact, and instead maintain proven products, that have longevity and dependability.
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JDCanuck
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The problem with existing new vehicles driven on gas is they don't have longevity and dependability. They are now made to be recycled far too
frequently. EV's are reported to have far lower maintenance and definitely have far fewer moving parts to be replaced. "lubed for life" (scrap and
replace rather than lube) is now the standard as new vehicles are really not supposed to be kept on the road as long as past generations were.
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gnukid
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EV are plagued by problems, high failure rate and battery fires.
Electric Vehicle Batteries Can Explode After an Accident
https://www.govtech.com/fs/electric-vehicle-batteries-can-ex...
The ten most epic electric car failures
https://jalopnik.com/the-ten-most-epic-electric-car-failures...
How An Electric Car Battery Can Fail
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2021/06/13/how-a...
Electric Vehicle Battery Fires Are A Serious Problem
https://carbuzz.com/news/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-are-...
Battery fires, brake failure: Problems plaguing electric vehicles as China toughens safety laws
https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2021/10/22/electric-vehic...
Fire Danger: Underground Parking Lot Bans Electric Vehicles
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/fire-danger-underground-parking...
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Wenatchee, WA, the nearest city to where I live, has successfully been using electric city buses for a few years, first in the country. They charge
by induction, just drving over a pad and sitting there for a few minutes, so they can essentially be never off line for fueling. Clean, quiet and
efficient. Our power up here is already 95+% carbon free via hydro and a bit of nuke. It's great.
https://www.linktransit.com/services_and_programs/electric_b...
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SFandH
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The largest PV installation in the world: Bhadla, India
2,245 MW
1.3 billion dollars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhadla_Solar_Park
BTW, for reference, the two San Onofre nuclear reactors together generated the same amount before they were shut down in 2013 after major maintenance
failed. Granted, they worked at night. 
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surabi
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As usual what you think is wrong. I'm not partial to dry desert environments nor countries with murderers as their head of state.
But the concept of high density living, with services available without having to drive to get to them, surrounded by a natural environment, is
exactly the direction this overpopulated planet needs to go.
[Edited on 7-27-2022 by BajaNomad]
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | I lease my panels $150/mo. At the time it was the best way to go. In Hindsight I should have bought them. Still a good deal.
I too think nuclear is the way to go. Our problem is every plant is built different. France has it right all the plants are built the same.
The US navy has had nuclear ships since the 1950s with an excellent safety record, sure a couple have been lost but the record speaks for itself. I've
talked to navy men who have served on nuclear ships and they say the difference is that the navy does safety drills constantly.
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Thanks for that... so is the lease forever, i.e. is your 'electric bill' fixed at $150/ month?
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TMW
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The lease is 20 years with Sun Power. It goes up 4% per year. My PG&E bill varies. Winter it runs from $25 to $60 per month depending mostly the
gas side. From about March or April thru Nov it runs from $0 to maybe $15. If you add the PG&E bill to the Sun Power bill that's my total bill.
Without the solar panels my summer (June to Sept) bill ran $250 to $350 per month. Winter time about half that. I have 22 panels.
At the time I got them I could have done a lease that was fixed, I think it was $165/mo. I could have purchased the panels too. I chose the cheaper of
the leases since I did not expect to stay more than 3-5 years here. I thought I would be moving to my daughters place in Hanford.
My daughter has 50 panels. She turned her garage side into a BB with it's own AC. Some of the people staying there like to turn down th AC. Her total
electric bill was $600 to $700 per month in th summer.
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | The orders for EV buses has exploded recently, as a quick look at BYD in Lancaster CA (Berkshire Hathaway's biggest percentage gainer over 10 years),
New Flyer (Manitoba) and others sales shows. They just make great sense on short trips, outstripping the old Natural Gas advantages by a large factor.
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Buses are exploding, “Lithium has a natural affinity for fires.’’
Alarming: Two Electric Buses Spontaneously Explode, Entire Fleet Taken Off the Road in City
https://www.westernjournal.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
Proterra Bus Fire Prompts California Agency to Consider Shelving Electric Bus Fleet
Electric buses are melting in sun, too expensive to fix, transit official says
https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/proterra-bus-fir...
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/07/30...
London bus explosion: Five electric buses go up in a fireball – smoke seen for miles
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1614242/London-bus-explosi...
RTC e-bus catches fire during charging
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/rtc-e-bus...
[Edited on 7-28-2022 by gnukid]
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SFandH
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That is a problem to be solved, isn't it?
Certainly, gasoline vehicles catch fire every day, everywhere. Before you say it, I understand diesel has a higher combustion temperature than gas.
[Edited on 7-28-2022 by SFandH]
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David K
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All it will take is one "eco-friendly" electric school bus to catch fire before their insanity is put in check.
Progress will come and new energy will be discovered... but don't rush things to be popular.
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gnukid
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Understood, progressives won't read or research
CORRUPTED CLIMATE STATIONS
The Official U.S. Temperature Record Remains Fatally Flawed
https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/publica...
The findings of both the 2009 and the 2022 Surface Stations studies clearly demonstrate the COOP network’s temperature records—at both USCHN and
GHCN stations—have been substantially corrupted. After surveying a comprehensive and representative sample of stations, 96 percent were found to be
biased in some way by the heat sink effect, or other heat sources.
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Paco Facullo
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News FLASH,,, The whole world is corrupt ......
Everyone has their own agenda that they promote... Regardless if it's wrong or right..
They DON'T CARE .....
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Understood, progressives won't read or research
CORRUPTED CLIMATE STATIONS
The Official U.S. Temperature Record Remains Fatally Flawed
https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/publica...
The findings of both the 2009 and the 2022 Surface Stations studies clearly demonstrate the COOP network’s temperature records—at both USCHN and
GHCN stations—have been substantially corrupted. After surveying a comprehensive and representative sample of stations, 96 percent were found to be
biased in some way by the heat sink effect, or other heat sources. |
"Analysis / Bias
In review, The Heartland Institute’s primary mission is to advocate for corporations and minimal regulations. For example, they have advocated on
behalf of the tobacco industry, claiming that “We argue that the public health community exaggerates the (smoking) risks to justify their calls for
more regulations on businesses and higher taxes on smokers and that the risk of adverse health effects from second-hand smoke is dramatically less
than for active smoking, with many studies finding no adverse health effects at all. These positions are supported by many prominent scientists and
virtually all free-market think tanks.” While Heartland may be able to find a few scientists and virtually all free-market think tanks (who aren’t
scientists) to claim that second-hand smoke is not very harmful, that goes entirely against the consensus of the science.
The Heartland Institute is a leading supporter of human-influenced climate change denial, and when it comes to climate change information, they have
made numerous false or misleading claims. They have also made false claims when it comes to other political issues. They have failed numerous fact
checks. See below.
Failed Fact Checks
Work requirements “have been proven to help impoverished families move from dependency to self-sufficiency.” – MOSTLY FALSE
“Model outputs published in successive IPCC reports since 1990 project a doubling of CO2 could cause warming of up to 6°C by 2100. Instead, global
warming ceased around the end of the twentieth century and was followed (since 1997) by 19 years of stable temperature. Earth has not warmed
significantly for the past 18 years despite an 8 percent increase in atmospheric CO2.” – INACCURATE
“[climate models] systematically over-estimate the sensitivity of climate to carbon dioxide … and modelers exclude forcings and feedbacks that run
counter to their mission.” – INCORRECT
“Solar forcings are not too small to explain twentieth century warming. In fact, their effect could be equal to or greater than the effect of CO2 in
the atmosphere.” – INCORRECT
“Forward projections of solar cyclicity imply the next few decades may be marked by global cooling rather than warming, despite continuing
CO2emissions.” – INCORRECT
Wildfires were worse in the early part of the 1900s than they are today – Mostly False
Overall, we rate the Heartland Institute Right Biased and Questionable based on promoting anti-science propaganda, lack of transparency with funding,
and more than five failed fact checks by IFCN fact-checkers. (7/19/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 10/16/2021)
Source: https://www.heartland.org/
Last Updated on October 16, 2021 by Media Bias Fact Check"
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