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TMW
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I thought most fridges in RVs were both gas and electric. I haven't owned an RV in almost 30 years.
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PaulW
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Did anyone post this AC unit?
Battery powered portable AC
https://us.ecoflow.com/products/wave-portable-air-conditione...
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by TMW  | | I thought most fridges in RVs were both gas and electric. I haven't owned an RV in almost 30 years. |
I've rented several the last couple years. They run on both electric and propane.
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El Camote
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RV fridges do run on both electric and propane but in either setting they're absorption fridges as compared to your home compressor fridge. The
electric setting on an RV fridge just uses a heating element instead of a small flame to heat up the ammonia c-cktail which does the cooling.
And yes, in either setting they're useless above 90 F ambient temperature.
Here's what happened to the cream in my coffee after a couple days of 90+ degrees in the RV fridge.
[Edited on 9-8-2022 by El Camote]
Knowledge is good. - Emil Faber
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JZ
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Interesting.
“2020 wildfire season in California wiped away 16 years of climate gains”
The research paper, published Monday in the journal Environmental Pollution, finds that California’s wildfires in 2020 caused twice the amount of
greenhouse gas emissions that the state successfully cut between 2003 and 2019. In other words, 2020’s wildfire season, which set a record for the
number of acres burned in the state, essentially wiped out 16 years of progress California had made on climate change through efforts such as
replacing fossil fuels with clean energy.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/2020-wildfire-season-in-californi...
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RFClark
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These same researchers should calculate the greenhouse gas emissions caused by “slash and burn” agriculture and herding around the world. It might
turn out that the best thing we can do for the environment is spend our money clearing farm land in the third world, as well as clearing brush along
side of our roads and under our power lines.
If preventing one years man caused wildfires is twice as productive as 16 years of emission reductions we’re expending our efforts (and dollars) in
the wrong place!
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Ateo
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There is an OT for this California wildfire environmental discussion. This is not Baja related, but I know....the urge to start a fight or bring back
an old thread can be quite hard to suppress.....I'm guilty of it as well.
Have a good weekend.
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JDCanuck
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Climate change is a global issue I think. There is huge growth in offshore wind renewable energy globally in the last couple years and a lot more in
the pipeline, here is the US perspective:
https://www.energy.gov/eere/wind/articles/offshore-wind-mark...
Here is the latest large installation to come online in Scotland:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-6263850...
In Baja we have focused on solar, with smaller onshore windpower now in operation, in other areas like Scotland and northwestern Europe they are
rapidly developing offshore wind installations. There is a lot of progress being made globally as solar, wind and hydro renewable resources and also
carbon capture and storage are beginning to make a real difference in supplying growing energy demand.
[Edited on 10-21-2022 by JDCanuck]
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RFClark
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If you live in Baja or Baja Sur an increase in storms or sea level are a real issue that effects you! If climate change can be addressed at all, how
needs to be discussed!
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David K
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Keep throwing money at a natural event, controlled by the sun and Earth's axis, and see what a waste that is.
Climate is long term, weather is short term. Oh, and the sea level is not rising dramatically, either. Many lifetimes will pass by before even one
foot will rise (or fall). Well, except for the natural tide change every day of several feet!
What we can do is clean up after ourselves. The trash people just discard is not cool.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Keep throwing money at a natural event, controlled by the sun and Earth's axis, and see what a waste that is.
Climate is long term, weather is short term. Oh, and the sea level is not rising dramatically, either. Many lifetimes will pass by before even one
foot will rise (or fall). Well, except for the natural tide change every day of several feet!
What we can do is clean up after ourselves. The trash people just discard is not cool. |
Yes the trash we see so commonly discarded in Baja is bothersome. I often wondered why they don't boost the plastic and glass bottle deposit/return to
encourage more recycling. We have dedicated people here that earn a decent amount of money collecting and returning bottles and you very seldom see
any discarded on the streets anymore.
I would argue reducing polluting fossil fuel energy supplies and replacing it with renewables can also be defined as cleaning up after ourselves.
Fortunately, not only is it cleaner, it's also presently cheaper to invest in long term than previous sources.
What bothers me is the privileged elite influencers that push others to live on minimal energy and food while they themselves continue to jet around
the world pushing their agenda on others that can least afford it.
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David K
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Exactly right, JD!
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JDCanuck
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Yet another trend that might produce good results by producing hydrogen from renewables:
https://renewableh2.eu/stories/worlds-first-fully-automated-...
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RFClark
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To the extent that controlling the climate is possible, the questions that need to be addressed are less about the engineering hows and more about
creating a plan that is supported by a majority not just in the US but over a larger number of countries.
Some will say that this has been done. I would say that it has not been done to address much beyond vague agreements to reduce CO2 and other
greenhouse gas emissions in the future with enough set asides to effectively render it meaningless.
Any real plan needs to address pollutants, energy supplies, water supplies and food supplies as a totality. Currently there is a war of aggression
underway that is negatively affecting all of the above. Nothing that the US or the entire Western Hemisphere can accomplish alone will make much
difference. Until the war in the Ukraine is ended no real climate agreements are possible! China and India won’t support any real plan to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions not just because it will cost them but because it will damage Russia which they support in its war of aggression.
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surabi
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 "Keep throwing money at a natural event, controlled by the sun and the Earth's
axis..."
I wonder what it's like to go through life denying scientific facts. Must be like being a 2 year old, blithely unaware of the harsh realities of life.
And of course, denying man-made climate change allows one to carry on living exactly as they like to, without responsibility or having to consider
themselves part of the problem.
And there doesn't have to be a "dramatic" change in sea level (whatever number that is) to have dramatic effects on life and all its creatures.
[Edited on 10-22-2022 by surabi]
[Edited on 10-22-2022 by surabi]
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TMW
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50 or 100 years from now people will still be talking about the same issues.
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | To the extent that controlling the climate is possible, the questions that need to be addressed are less about the engineering hows and more about
creating a plan that is supported by a majority not just in the US but over a larger number of countries.
Some will say that this has been done. I would say that it has not been done to address much beyond vague agreements to reduce CO2 and other
greenhouse gas emissions in the future with enough set asides to effectively render it meaningless.
Any real plan needs to address pollutants, energy supplies, water supplies and food supplies as a totality. Currently there is a war of aggression
underway that is negatively affecting all of the above. Nothing that the US or the entire Western Hemisphere can accomplish alone will make much
difference. Until the war in the Ukraine is ended no real climate agreements are possible! China and India won’t support any real plan to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions not just because it will cost them but because it will damage Russia which they support in its war of aggression.
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Well stated! Sensible and reasonable.
Unfortunately, unlikely to happen in our lifetime. I wish it could.
John
[Edited on 10-22-2022 by John Harper]
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RFClark
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John,
If we don’t have a major radioactive fallout event we’ll be lucky! Nothing useful is going to get done on climate or much else until that war is
settled.
That said it won’t slow down those who have agendas covered by “climate change”. No I didn’t say the climate isn’t changing! I said that if
one years fire pollution is twice 14 years of pollution reduction. We’re trying to solve the wrong problem!
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JDCanuck
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If we want people to convert fossil fuel vehicles at 20% efficiency to electric at 85%, we are going to have to leave them with the economic resources
to do so. Raising taxes, feeding it to bureaucratic government agencies that push biofuels and calling them green initiatives isn't going to help
people find the money in their now more limited budgets to swap or install solar panels or other energy saving upgrades. Massive inflation like we now
see is another setback and will take a long time to recover from.
People and corporations are proving they are more than ready to do their bit, so any plans to create real change have to leave enough in their pockets
to apply it where they and subsequently we can benefit the most.
This is especially true in India and China and other emerging markets
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | I said that if one years fire pollution is twice 14 years of pollution reduction. We’re trying to solve the wrong problem! |
"Nearly 85 percent* of wildland fires in the United States are caused by humans. Human-caused fires result from campfires left unattended, the burning
of debris, equipment use and malfunctions, negligently discarded cigarettes, and intentional acts of arson."
Forest fires are mostly caused by stupid people. I would suggest that working to reduce pollution is more doable than trying to stop individual stupid
people from doing stupid things. Not doing something for the common good, just because someone else does something bad you can't control, doesn't make
any sense.
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