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First step in getting off the global warming human contribution is reducing IC engines to produce transportation. Besides the CO2 produced, close to
80% of the energy is rejected as heat to the atmosphere. Electric drives cut that almost to 1/3 that amount(or more with hub drives), so even from
coal powered plants there would be significant waste heat reduction. Every other power source multiplies the benefits. Battery technology is rapidly
improving and getting cheaper at the same time. The ball is rolling downhill now.
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | First step in getting off the global warming human contribution is reducing IC engines to produce transportation. Besides the CO2 produced, close to
80% of the energy is rejected as heat to the atmosphere. Electric drives cut that almost to 1/3 that amount(or more with hub drives), so even from
coal powered plants there would be significant waste heat reduction. Every other power source multiplies the benefits. Battery technology is rapidly
improving and getting cheaper at the same time. The ball is rolling downhill now. |
CO2 is energy for the symbiotic relationship of plants and animals> Where do you think electricity for EV comes from, Oil, Gas, Coal, etc.
Lets go back to basics. The atmosphere is made of Nitrogen 78%, Oxygen (O) 21%, Argon (Ar) 0.9% and Trace Gases – 0.1%. CO2 is a trace gas and makes
up just 3-4% of trace gases or 0.03% 0.04% of the atmosphere CO2, human contribution to that 0.03-0.04% meaning human contribution to CO2 is 3% of 3%
of 1% or a total of 0.000009% of the total atmosphere, according to USA Gov IPCC own numbers. CO2 has varied greatly over the long term with
historical numbers, before humans much higher than today, above 10,000ppm which resulted in far greater animal and plant diversity. Macro view we are
deficient in atmosphermic CO2 for biodiversity growt. Today we mjust inject CO2 into growing houses to encourage growth, and no evidence that CO2
preceeds temperature, it follows by long cycles. When you contribute CO2 you are contributing to the symbiotic relationship of plants and animals
which in turn increases biodiversity. Data https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335418316_What_Huma...
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | First step in getting off the global warming human contribution is reducing IC engines to produce transportation. Besides the CO2 produced, close to
80% of the energy is rejected as heat to the atmosphere. Electric drives cut that almost to 1/3 that amount(or more with hub drives), so even from
coal powered plants there would be significant waste heat reduction. Every other power source multiplies the benefits. Battery technology is rapidly
improving and getting cheaper at the same time. The ball is rolling downhill now. |
CO2 is energy for the symbiotic relationship of plants and animals> Where do you think electricity for EV comes from, Oil, Gas, Coal, etc.
Lets go back to basics. The atmosphere is made of Nitrogen 78%, Oxygen (O) 21%, Argon (Ar) 0.9% and Trace Gases – 0.1%. CO2 is a trace gas and makes
up just 3-4% of trace gases or 0.03% 0.04% of the atmosphere CO2, human contribution to that 0.03-0.04% meaning human contribution to CO2 is 3% of 3%
of 1% or a total of 0.000009% of the total atmosphere, according to USA Gov IPCC own numbers. CO2 has varied greatly over the long term with
historical numbers, before humans much higher than today, above 10,000ppm which resulted in far greater animal and plant diversity. Macro view we are
deficient in atmosphermic CO2 for biodiversity growt. Today we mjust inject CO2 into growing houses to encourage growth, and no evidence that CO2
preceeds temperature, it follows by long cycles. When you contribute CO2 you are contributing to the symbiotic relationship of plants and animals
which in turn increases biodiversity. Data https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335418316_What_Huma... |
Silly paul:
Just because you found some info on the intertubes does not mean it is not utter nonsense 
[Edited on 7-24-2022 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
A huge increase over last year?
Your number sounded high to me so I spent a minute to find out.
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The United States Energy Information Administration:
"In 2021, renewable energy sources accounted for about 12.2% of total U.S. energy consumption and about 20.1% of electricity generation."
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=92&t=4#:~:text...
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You are correct for 2021. i was referring to a specific (may I believe) month is 2022 when the number went over 30% for a brief time
- BTW - include Nuclear (carbon free also) at about 19% and the USA energy production profile is now about 40% carbon free.
California on good days is now producing 100% of its electrical energy by renewables BTW
https://www.earthday.org/california-breaks-record-by-achievi...
[Edited on 7-24-2022 by caj13]
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mtgoat666
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California always leads the way.
World would be better if everyone would do same we do in California.
Be like california.
California uber alles!
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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It's true for a very brief time during the day, California's renewables output exceeded its demand. Solar and wind output spiked, and while the fossil
fuel plants continued running, California was a power exporter. The rest of the day, demand increased and the availability of wind and solar fell off.
A long way to go before this can be sustained throughout a full day and the following article talks about what still has to be accomplished. Increased
battery storage seems to be the most immediate need. Here was the source of the article mentioned previously:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/07/1097376890/for-a-brief-moment...
As you can see from the chart, battery storage has to grow far faster to overcome the natural gas demand on the shoulders. It looks to me like about
30 times the present battery storage would be needed given that amount of available wind and solar. Fortunately, this is where the fastest advances
are being made. Musk and Berkshire Hathaway's power utility divisions are sitting on the side with offers to supply the same.
[Edited on 7-24-2022 by JDCanuck]
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"droves!" ??
The population of CA decreased by 0.3% in 2021
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2022-...
[Edited on 7-24-2022 by SFandH]
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CA population in 2021 was 39,000,000. 0.3% would be 117,000.
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California is better off if the whiners leave!
The whiners seem to be moving to az and tx. Have you ever been to az or tx? No thanks!
Tx has nothing appealing except maybe a bit of austin!
Tx and az are not habitable in summer!
Woke!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Same spot, same root system, be it different trunks or not. The place has been photographed many times over many years. Not one photo shows it
reducing in height or vanishing.
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“ Not one photo shows it reducing in height or vanishing “
Wronger lol,
The Palm looks terrible and the photos over 80 years attest to that. Phoenix dactylifera or common date palm reproduce by “ pups “ off their base
or seeds and the photos show decline of that palm clump.
Could it be........ Satan !
Or more likely as in most cases just another casualty of man.
Look at the surroundings in the last picture. That beach is now a free for all and in terrible shape, and the palm shows it.
That last picture is a thousand words on how we are F#€¥ing up our planet.
Man Is damaging the planet with our careless activities, over harvesting of the seas and insane amounts of pollution. The evidence of our impact is
undeniable.
It’s a shame that the global warming argument has taken us away from the responsibility we all share in being better to our environment.
Stay distracted and remember if we ignore the environment,
It will all go away.
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Its always funny to see your clueless bubble burst.
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The point where the palm grows out of the sand is no lower into the sea (or sea higher above the roots).
I am showing a REFERENCE POINT to SEA LEVEL RISE, not discussing a palm tree's health. Can you zoom onto the rocks of Concepción Bay, instead? The
Palm tree is simply a popular photo subject.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | ??
The point where the palm grows out of the sand is no lower into the sea (or sea higher above the roots).
I am showing a REFERENCE POINT to SEA LEVEL RISE, not discussing a palm tree's health. Can you zoom onto the rocks of Concepción Bay, instead? The
Palm tree is simply a popular photo subject. |
Ya, who cares about the environment anyways,
It’s better going round and round in circles instead of finding solutions and dealing with the problems we created,
ie pollution
Thanks for flaming me with your point and setting me straight
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Rat,
As long as 4 billion or so of the 8 billion of us cook on open fires and burn their fields not to mention the bad forestry practices in the western US
that cause 10s of square miles of stuff to burn, it will be difficult for any amount of greenness to offset the adverse effects! John Kerry and the
300T of carbon a year from his private jet included!
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Denial of climate issues is part of the "owning the libs " dogma package.
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No denial there are issues. Believing that American's tax dollars can change the climate (or the sea level) is the issue I have, if that still remains
unclear. Not asking China to be as clean as America is wrong and panders to the communist dictatorship there. I guess when you give millions to the
(then) vice president's family, you get special treatment and exemptions?
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Do you honestly think the US government is capable of controlling mother nature?
Have you ever been to India or China? Does taxing American's into oblivion change their policies in some way I'm missing?
What about all the emerging 3rd world countries. Are they going direct to EVs skipping over fossils?
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
At the rate EV technology and production is evolving, that's not such a far-fetched possibility, though pretty soon I think we're going to run into a
major bottleneck on raw materials (e.g. for batteries). |
The US is going to face a monumental task of charging them. Estimates are that charging a car at your home annually is the equivalent of having 25
refrigerators running 24/7.
How are evolving 3rd world countries gonna do it?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
At the rate EV technology and production is evolving, that's not such a far-fetched possibility, though pretty soon I think we're going to run into a
major bottleneck on raw materials (e.g. for batteries). |
The US is going to face a monumental task of charging them. Estimates are that charging a car at your home annually is the equivalent of having 25
refrigerators running 24/7.
How are evolving 3rd world countries gonna do it?
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or running your a.c. 6 hours a day
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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My AC is on 24/7 this time of year. My electric bill is $0.
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