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This video was sourced from Dr Patrick Moore, one of the original founders and past chairman for years of Greenpeace back when they were about saving
whales and improving the global environment for human occupancy.
Also the only actual environmental scientist to lead the organization.
Not someone to write off I think. And yes, polar bears have become so highly populated in arctic Canada to be a problem during global warming. They
seem to thrive under warmer temperatures despite all the warnings.
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Polar bear population as of latest census 2020-2021:
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/quinn-weimer/r...
(CNS News) – Although the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) contends that melting sea ice, caused by global warming, is causing
the polar bear population to decrease, a new report by evolutionary biologist Dr. Susan Crockford reveals that the global population of polar bears is
“now almost 30,000 – up from 26,000 in 2015.”
“This is only a slight-to-moderate increase, but it is far from the precipitous decline polar bear experts expected given a drop of almost 50% in
sea-ice levels since 1979,” says Crawford. “This indicates summer sea-ice levels are not as critical to polar bear survival as USGS biologists
assumed.Despite 2020 having had the second lowest September ice extent since 1979 (after 2012), there were no reports from anywhere around the Arctic
that would suggest polar bears were suffering as a result: no starving bears, no drowning bears, and no marked increases in bear conflicts with
humans.”
The original full report is here if you are interested in the actual science:
https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2021/02/Crockford-Po...
[Edited on 11-26-2022 by JDCanuck]
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | This video was sourced from Dr Patrick Moore, one of the original founders and past chairman for years of Greenpeace back when they were about saving
whales and improving the global environment for human occupancy.
Also the only actual environmental scientist to lead the organization.
Not someone to write off I think. And yes, polar bears have become so highly populated in arctic Canada to be a problem during global warming. They
seem to thrive under warmer temperatures despite all the warnings.
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He says it is well understood that glacier patterns change in 100,000 year cycles. From more to less ice. We are 20,000 years into a warming cycle.
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"Patrick Moore, Ph.D. served as Chair of the CO2 Coalition in 2019 and 2020. He is co-founder and 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986). Chairman
and Chief Scientist, Ecosense Environmental. Leader, Campaign to Allow Golden Rice Now.
Dr. Patrick Moore has been a leader in the international environmental field for over 40 years. He is a co-founder of Greenpeace and served for nine
years as President of Greenpeace Canada and seven years as a Director of Greenpeace International. As the leader of many campaigns Dr. Moore was a
driving force shaping policy and direction for 15 years while Greenpeace became the world’s largest environmental activist organization."
I agree Moore has been at odds with the environmentalist fund raising groups for a few years now. Ever since he began working with industry to alter
their practices as a consultant here in BC after leaving his position in Greenpeace. They now see him as a sellout as he works for mutually beneficial
practices for both the environment and the economy. I like opposing discussions from various scientists of what is occurring, they do not.
We have seen the results of suppression of opposing science based views from mainstream beliefs in the past, and I think we are presently running the
danger of repeating those errors if we continue as we presently are. The polar bear controversy is a good example of that.
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So, which news sources do you trust? It's always easy to criticize, without having to propose any alternatives. You only address half an issue?
Epoch Times? USA Today? Fox News? New York Post? WSJ? TikTok? Facebook? Truth Social? Weekly Reader?
Come on, let's hear your most trusted source(s) of information. Enquiring minds want to know.
John
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My employer, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, was part of an international expedition to Antarctica to assess the impact of climate change on the habitat
of Emperor Penguins. Who knew that the canary in the coalmine was dressed in a tuxedo? Here is a recent article about the trip from the WHOI website.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck |
They now see him as a sellout as he works for mutually beneficial practices for both the environment and the economy. I like opposing discussions from
various scientists of what is occurring, they do not.
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When a scientist is being paid as an industry lobbyist, their "opposing discussion" is highly suspect. Money corrupts, as we well know.
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S,
As are scientists who’s funding is derived from government institutions that have already decided what the problem is and what the answers are!
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck |
They now see him as a sellout as he works for mutually beneficial practices for both the environment and the economy. I like opposing discussions from
various scientists of what is occurring, they do not.
[Edited on 11-26-2022 by JDCanuck] |
When a scientist is being paid as an industry lobbyist, their "opposing discussion" is highly suspect. Money corrupts, as we well know.
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How would you relate "money corrupts" to an industry whose entire source of income relies on shock tactics to amplify problems they claim to be
fighting and collecting donations on?
I see a whole lot of improvement in the industries they claim as the enemy, very little signs of improvement from the influencers pointing the finger.
Industry and the massive number of engineers they employ to provide solutions created the hydro power wind power and solar power slowly replacing
fossil fuels. Yet they remain the primary target of accusations.
Kudos to the practical environmental Scientists that are working with them to move us forward.
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John,
I don’t “trust” any single news outlet without crosschecking the story. I don’t bother to read the WP or the NYT. I generally don’t watch
on-air news unless I can’t find the story in print.
I read BBC’s World Service, Aljazeera, the Jerusalem Post, the South China News, DW, CBC, Reuters, Sky News and the Daily Mail for general news. I
read others that are free. I read multiple stories on the same subject. I also read specific outlets on technical subjects like NASA.
Yes, I occasionally watch Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow!
All writing has built in cultural bias. If there were non-human sources I would read them too! There was a time when Scientists were called “Natural
Philosophers” for me a “Philosophy” is a view of the world around you that explains actions in terms of repeatable results and allows you to
anticipate outcomes without relying on magic!
I find that that view is considered “quaint” today where wishing it makes so! It is still worth remembering that wishing and believing that you
can fly won’t turn out well unless you have more then feelings going for you!
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Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
About Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) is a private, non-profit organization on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, dedicated to marine research,
engineering, and higher education. Established in 1930, its primary mission is to understand the ocean and its interaction with the Earth as a whole,
and to communicate an understanding of the ocean’s role in the changing global environment. WHOI’s pioneering discoveries stem from an ideal
combination of science and engineering—one that has made it one of the most trusted and technically advanced leaders in basic and applied ocean
research and exploration anywhere. WHOI is known for its multidisciplinary approach, superior ship operations, and unparalleled deep-sea robotics
capabilities. We play a leading role in ocean observation and operate the most extensive suite of data-gathering platforms in the world. Top
scientists, engineers, and students collaborate on more than 800 concurrent projects worldwide—both above and below the waves—pushing the
boundaries of knowledge and possibility. For more information, please visit www.whoi.edu
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | John,
I don’t “trust” any single news outlet without crosschecking the story. I don’t bother to read the WP or the NYT. I generally don’t watch
on-air news unless I can’t find the story in print.
I read BBC’s World Service, Aljazeera, the Jerusalem Post, the South China News, DW, CBC, Reuters, Sky News and the Daily Mail for general news. I
read others that are free. I read multiple stories on the same subject. I also read specific outlets on technical subjects like NASA.
Yes, I occasionally watch Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow!
All writing has built in cultural bias. If there were non-human sources I would read them too! There was a time when Scientists were called “Natural
Philosophers” for me a “Philosophy” is a view of the world around you that explains actions in terms of repeatable results and allows you to
anticipate outcomes without relying on magic!
I find that that view is considered “quaint” today where wishing it makes so! It is still worth remembering that wishing and believing that you
can fly won’t turn out well unless you have more then feelings going for you!
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Sounds like we have a lot in common. But, I've never ascribed to a world see through rose colored glasses, or wishing. Just dealing with reality,
not hoping for deliverance.
John
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I don't think Engineers typically look at things through rose covered glasses, we look ahead for possible problems and try to engineer in practical
solutions before they happen.
It's not an exact science and mistakes get made. IMHO opinion, Politicians on the other hand look at solutions already being instituted and think how
they can take credit for them.
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John,
The Tacoma Narrows Bridge was designed by an engineer wearing rose colored glasses. Murphy will always outbid your worst nightmares!
“I’m from the government and I’m here to help you”, is the second greatest lie. Doug wouldn’t like it if I posted the greatest lie here so
you’ll have to guess!
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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| Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco |
Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
About Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) is a private, non-profit organization on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, dedicated to marine research,
engineering, and higher education. Established in 1930, its primary mission is to understand the ocean and its interaction with the Earth as a whole,
and to communicate an understanding of the ocean’s role in the changing global environment. WHOI’s pioneering discoveries stem from an ideal
combination of science and engineering—one that has made it one of the most trusted and technically advanced leaders in basic and applied ocean
research and exploration anywhere. WHOI is known for its multidisciplinary approach, superior ship operations, and unparalleled deep-sea robotics
capabilities. We play a leading role in ocean observation and operate the most extensive suite of data-gathering platforms in the world. Top
scientists, engineers, and students collaborate on more than 800 concurrent projects worldwide—both above and below the waves—pushing the
boundaries of knowledge and possibility. For more information, please visit www.whoi.edu |
Thank you for pointing out this text from the WHOI website. After over 35 years working in aerospace, financial services and high-tech, it's been
refreshing to part of an organization trying to contribute to our collective understanding of the ocean.
The funding model of WHOI is fairly interesting: a Principal Investigator (PI), usually a scientist, writes a proposal to undertake a specific
research project, including resources, time frame and budget. Board members then vote on the proposal, which moves forward if and when it's approved.
Early on, the largest source of funding by far was the U.S. Navy. WHOI's first Navy project was to produce a foul-proof paint for the bottom of Naval
vessels. Its first major use of a robotic device was to locate a nuclear warhead that had been dropped to the bottom of the Mediterranean in 1966. Since the end of the Cold War,
non-military sources of funding have increased, with the National Science Foundation leading the way. Philanthropic giving has also increased over the
years, as have partnerships with private corporations.
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Poster child for how insane this grift is.
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Fun facts about Polar Bears.....
They are not really white! their hair is translucent, which allows sunlight to pass through and warm their skin, which is blackish. 
One more thing, Polar Bears don't need ice flows, seals do. The bears go out to hunt seals resting on the ice (advantage, seals).
If there is no ice, the seals have to come ashore to rest and warm up (advantage, bears)
[Edited on 11-27-2022 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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What is the sixth mass extinction?
A mass extinction is a short period of geological time in which a high percentage of biodiversity, or distinct species—bacteria, fungi, plants,
mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, invertebrates—dies out. In this definition, it’s important to note that, in geological time, a
‘short’ period can span thousands or even millions of years. The planet has experienced five previous mass extinction events, the last one
occurring 65.5 million years ago which wiped out the dinosaurs from existence. Experts now believe we’re in the midst of a sixth mass extinction.
Unlike previous extinction events caused by natural phenomena, the sixth mass extinction is driven by human activity, primarily (though not limited
to) the unsustainable use of land, water and energy use, and climate change.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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