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JDCanuck
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Elon Musk continues to drive price drops in EV's, especially the cheapest model, while the other manufacturers are driving prices up. The F-150
Lightning Pro was available to Californians for under 30,000 when it was first sold after rebates, so there must be a few people out there that bought
at those prices. Unfortunately, it is now far more expensive as high inflation, demand and availability drove price increases out of the reach of the
majority.
Here is how Norway overcame that reluctance to the point that today, 80% of newly licensed vehicles are EV's, well ahead of their initial targets.
https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
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Quote: Originally posted by caj13  | I have never understood this mysterious wasted money - and costing us money? seriously? I have repeatedly asked JZ, RC, etc -to educate me on these
"costs" associated with green energy - and so far - for some unknown reason? they all seem to ignore my request to be educated with their secret
facts and information sources!
so i went solar - My energy bill is $0. the cost of my panels and the system install was offset in just 3.5 years - since then they system makes
me money. (and it is charging my EV - so guess what - the car is very cheap to run - no fuel - much less maintenance .
I made those decisions based on the benefits to the environment AND the economic gains I would get. How is that costing me money?
and no - nope - no government ever demanded / required I did that. In the mean time - the economy has benefited immensely by green technologies -
at the same time oil companies are reporting record profits (I know - I know - lets keep that quiet - how can we Blame Biden for our high fuel
costs when the money is going into the oil companies pockets?)
So for me - doing my part pays me real $ - it benefits the economy - and helps with the environment - how is that an issue for anyone?
I know - Damn&d facts keep getting in the way of the MAGA Gospel you have bought into. I'm sorry for making your brain explode! v
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Thanks Caj. Do you live in Baja part or full time? Wondering if you expanded the solar like we did, or found convenient charging stations close by? We
chose to expand the solar for the largest payback as the EV we had on order (Rivian) just was not practical here yet. Still looking for a suitable
and affordable EV. The closest I have come is the hybrid like RFC drives, but I am thinking it's not quite up to the roads we have locally.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Elon Musk continues to drive price drops in EV's, especially the cheapest model, while the other manufacturers are driving prices up. The F-150
Lightning Pro was available to Californians for under 30,000 when it was first sold after rebates, so there must be a few people out there that bought
at those prices. Unfortunately, it is now far more expensive as demand and availability drove price increases out of the reach of the majority.
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Pickup trucks and evs are popular amongst the upper middle class, so the f-150 ev sells well.
Since upper middle class is buying large trucks for grocery getting and mall crawling, it may be best if these luxury trucks go electric. The rich
are killing the planet thru overuse of energy and resources…
[Edited on 5-12-2023 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
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Goat,
Most of the wood or worse for cooking and the slash and burn agriculture is done by poor 3rd world people as is most of the coal burning these days!
But blame your political enemies is how it works.
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Goat,
Most of the wood or worse for cooking and the slash and burn agriculture is done by poor 3rd world people as is most of the coal burning these days!
But blame your political enemies is how it works. |
Clarkles,
Your carbon footprint is much larger than that of your maid or gardener!
Woke!
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I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use.
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Don Pisto
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use. |
I think its south pasadena (don't quote me on that) that has gone all EV, they weren't free though. I'll look for the story
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/south-pasadena-polic...
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use. |
Curious why you say that? Not disagreeing with you, but curious the rational.
They are very fast.
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use. |
Why should local govt agencies get free cars? That just increases car price for everybody else.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use. |
Why should local govt agencies get free cars? That just increases car price for everybody else. |
Maybe it will:
- Reduces local govt. expenses which will mean less taxes?
- It could accelerate the adoption of EVs which will lower prices for all on EVs?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use. |
Curious why you say that? Not disagreeing with you, but curious the rational.
They are very fast.
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I just think it would be a great public relations story and how better to insert thousands of EV cars into the the system. They would be on open
display for the public to see how well they function.
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They don't need to give them all at once. Schedule so many a month. Maybe the government could give the manufacture a tax break. There are a lot of
things to be worked out to make it a win win for everyone.
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW |
I just think it would be a great public relations story and how better to insert thousands of EV cars into the the system. They would be on open
display for the public to see how well they function. |
Agree 100%.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I think the manufactures of electric vehicles should give all police and sheriffs departments ev's to use. |
Curious why you say that? Not disagreeing with you, but curious the rational.
They are very fast.
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I just think it would be a great public relations story and how better to insert thousands of EV cars into the the system. They would be on open
display for the public to see how well they function. |
I see elec cars everywhere, the tide has turned, most people prefer e cars… new ice cars will be extinct in 15 years.
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I doubt that most people prefer ev cars. Maybe some but not most. There you go again living in your own dream world.
I just sold my 2000 camry with 250,000 miles I bought New. Sold it to my daughtner's boyfriend. It was in excellent mechanical shape. Should last
another 100,000 or so.
Just bought my last car: 2000 Camry V6 with 62,000 miles. Circumventing the USA Oct-Nov (7000 miles) in it. Plenty of room for 2-sets of golf clubs in
the trunk plus luggage. No fighting or searching for charging stations. I cannot think of a more impractical car on a road trip than an ev.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
I see elec cars everywhere, the tide has turned, most people prefer e cars… new ice cars will be extinct in 15 years.
[Edited on 5-13-2023 by mtgoat666] |
Just bought my wife a Genesis GV70 for mother's day. 370hp. Went with forest green to help with the environment. Might go EV next time.
[Edited on 5-14-2023 by JZ]
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JDCanuck
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Most people could use an EV for every day commutes, charge at home off peak for reduced power costs and consequently justify two vehicles with the
financial savings they realize. But they still have to solve the long distance time to recharge waits and heavy load carrying issues before we can
mandate the IC's out of existence. Even then, I don't see the point of mandates if the infrastructure is there, people will convert for the practical
reasons to do so.
I'll wait and see what Musk and all the other innovative Engineers have planned for the future. Left to their own, we should see cheaper(far fewer
parts) faster(full torque throughout the RPM range) and far easier maintenance in the near future.
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No way I'm buying an e-car because by far I drive mostly in baja. When there are as many charging stations as gas stations along the peninsula I might
get one but my gas cars have to wear out first. One has 40K miles, the other is new (2023), she loves it. It's still on the original oil. I'll
probably wear out before the cars do.
If I was still commuting to work on San Diego freeways I'd be looking at small e-SUVs.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
I see elec cars everywhere, the tide has turned, most people prefer e cars… new ice cars will be extinct in 15 years.
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Just bought my wife a Genesis GV70 for mother's day. 370hp. Went with forest green to help with environment. Might go EV next time.
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What possible reason is there to post a giant photo of the shiny new car you bought your wife except to brag for attention.
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I bet new ICE cars will always be available. I know California's plans. I also know plans change.
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