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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 07:13 AM


You will have to fill me in on the practice of pit burning. Up here (Nanaimo) we have existing landfills that have methane extractors installed to generate power from past dumping. Seems like a reasonable partial solution, but not filling the landfill with as much waste is also part of the solution, so we are developing organic waste recycling to compost as well as recycling of non organics. A lot more to go and there are a lot of REAL environmentalists working on solutions constantly.
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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 08:41 AM


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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 08:51 AM


Here are two of the early members of Greenpeace:

Paul Watson, now heading Seashepherd (referenced in the previous post)

Dr. Patrick Moore, Ecological Scientist, now an environmental consultant working with corporations to clean up their act
http://ecosense.me/bio/

Diverging directions in the last decades, which one has contributed most to positive change?

[Edited on 8-24-2021 by JDCanuck]
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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 08:56 AM


I cant believe anyone thought you were from Alberta, JD. You sound BC all the way, to me.

Maybe it's the Vancouver Island shading that fooled them. Just not the over-the-top liberalism of a person from Vancouver or Ontario.
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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 09:13 AM


I heat with a wood stove all winter in the northern California foot hills. What goes up the chimney is a small contribution compared to my burn piles of dead trees, under brush and tree thinning to lessen the wildfire danger.

Whether the forest is protected, or just over grown rural areas, we are currently burning it by the hundreds of thousands of acres, with a carbon footprint that can be seen from space!

Composting is great, but it is not practical to try to compost acres of dead trees. Even if you could, if the methane generated is not captured, it is a far worse pollutant than the CO2 and soot generated by the fires.




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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 09:13 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
I cant believe anyone thought you were from Alberta, JD. You sound BC all the way, to me.

Maybe it's the Vancouver Island shading that fooled them. Just not the over-the-top liberalism of a person from Vancouver or Ontario.


Actually Hook, I was born and raised in Alberta (farm country) but moved to BC in my late teens so they aren't entirely wrong. Why anyone would think where you were born is relevant tho, is beyond me. Maybe I should share my families' mixed racial roots as well: European, Blackfoot, Cree, slight amount of Black and now Mexican. Maybe that helps as well.

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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 09:27 AM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I heat with a wood stove all winter in the northern California foot hills. What goes up the chimney is a small contribution compared to my burn piles of dead trees, under brush and tree thinning to lessen the wildfire danger.

Whether the forest is protected, or just over grown rural areas, we are currently burning it by the hundreds of thousands of acres, with a carbon footprint that can be seen from space!

Composting is great, but it is not practical to try to compost acres of dead trees. Even if you could, if the methane generated is not captured, it is a far worse pollutant than the CO2 and soot generated by the fires.


And that's why its so hard to fit one solution to everyone and every condition. We all do what we can, and let technology fill in the holes. I prefer solar sourced electric induction for cooking, heat pumps for heating, because I've found the economic means and locality to accomplish those goals. Transportation is my next target.
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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 09:41 AM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I heat with a wood stove all winter in the northern California foot hills. What goes up the chimney is a small contribution compared to my burn piles of dead trees, under brush and tree thinning to lessen the wildfire danger.

Whether the forest is protected, or just over grown rural areas, we are currently burning it by the hundreds of thousands of acres, with a carbon footprint that can be seen from space!

Composting is great, but it is not practical to try to compost acres of dead trees. Even if you could, if the methane generated is not captured, it is a far worse pollutant than the CO2 and soot generated by the fires.


Natives here in BC are finally getting cooperation with forestry in returning to the prescribed burns they used for centuries to keep the forests healthy. There are several diverse species of pine that need fires to reseed, and several invasive species of bugs and vegetation that are controlled using the same methods. All fires are not bad, in fact they are healthy to a limited degree. This is why the forestry will allow many more lightning caused fires to burn unchecked in recent years.

But building in an area where there are mainly coniferous trees and refusing to clear them for safety is suicidal IMHO

[Edited on 8-24-2021 by JDCanuck]
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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 09:20 PM


For those interested in looking at the developing solutions, there is this published article. Since then, it appears Europe is moving ahead rapidly with the majority of these and could easily beat their timelines:

https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/sustainability/o...




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 8-24-2021 at 09:33 PM


Here's an excellent example of how far ahead they are:
https://insideevs.com/news/517969/norway-plugin-car-sales-ju...




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 8-26-2021 at 04:22 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Same spot, same root system, be it different trunks or not. The place has been photographed many times over many years. Not one photo shows it reducing in height or vanishing.

Even if there was no palm... it is at the top of the beach, the water has not reached the top of the beach. There are many photos of that beach from high above on the old road... If the sea raised higher, that flat area behind the beach would be a lagoon. It is not. In any case, the same is true around the world... Even the Maldives are still above the sea. Banks would not loan money for beach houses if there was any truth to the sea level scare.

[Edited on 8-18-2021 by David K]


People in the Solomon
Islands disagree with your isolated palm tree theory.

solomon-islands-rising-sea-level-university-of-queensland.jpg - 105kB




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[*] posted on 8-26-2021 at 05:27 AM


Why would anyone choose to build anything but temporary shacks on such a small island when ocean levels have been rising so much for thousands of years? Seems like building in a known flood plain then demanding rescue when the waters rise and flood you out. Is living right on existing waters that important as opposed to living 200 meters back?



A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 8-26-2021 at 05:55 AM


Why would anyone build in New Orleans or the Netherlands?

Or even along the shores of Malibu and the bluffs here in North County San Diego?

Because they can?

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[*] posted on 8-26-2021 at 06:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Why would anyone build in New Orleans or the Netherlands?

Or even along the shores of Malibu and the bluffs here in North County San Diego?

Because they can?

John


Good points. Some of us are cautious and conservative, while others like to push the limits of risk. Must admit I envy those that don't mind taking huge risk and benefit by it. But when it falls apart for them, they should be prepared to pay the costs.

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Friends of ours built in Galveston before the second major flood there took out the first two rows of houses. Their 5th row house became a 3rd row in very short order. Often wondered how the first two rows reacted when their houses no longer existed.

[Edited on 8-26-2021 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 8-27-2021 at 09:23 AM


Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  


looks suitable for hauling palm trees!
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[*] posted on 9-2-2021 at 12:45 PM


Yet another interesting development to get us to Net Zero, compressed air stored in underground caverns as energy storage:
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/hydrostors-big-energy-stor...

Combined with this latest news and we seem to be making a lot of headway, and there are still hundreds of thousands of Engineers seeking even more solutions:
https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2021/pandemic-wind-power-...

[Edited on 9-2-2021 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 9-2-2021 at 05:19 PM


A six pager climate discussion - alright. Knew I'd seen the Solomon pic before...... part of a 60 mins austrailia pgm. It is quite an interesting take on the two sides here.






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[*] posted on 9-2-2021 at 05:41 PM


No doubt the planet is getting warmer, no doubt it's caused by the burning of fossil fuels, no doubt it's causing major problems.

Dry is drier, wet is wetter, hot is hotter, storms are stronger, droughts are longer, floods are deeper, wildfires are wilder, coastlines are moving. Plus there is migration out of the tropics, which are expanding, into more temperate latitudes.

It's happening now.

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[*] posted on 9-2-2021 at 05:51 PM


And so we seek solutions at a rapidly growing rate. No human pollution or CO2 and we hit net zero. Europe's way ahead of us so far on the transportation side, but we are doing well on the power production side. Norway has an unfair advantage in their 250,000 per capita Oil Fund so we shouldn't include them.



A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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