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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by lewmt  | If our fearless leaders decrying "climate change" ever lead by example I may be more accepting of their rhetoric but so far all I see is the hypocrisy
of "rules for thee & not for me"
[Edited on 10-15-2021 by lewmt] |
Think global, act local.
Among my peers I see most people are leading by example, and conserve, reuse, recycle.
Plenty of people are leading by example….
Me thinks you should listen less to Fox News and pay more attention to what your neighbors are doing.
Global warming and climate change and finite natural resources are real. Are you going to be a Fox News brainwashed robot, or are you going to be
part of the solution?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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David K
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I am sure no more than you are a CNN or MSNBC robot.
The climate has ALWAYS changed and mankind adapts or dies. During the Ice Age and subsequent Warming, people adapted. HUMANS cannot change the climate
or the sea level, that is a NATURAL event that happens over hundreds of years.
Being 'clean' is a good thing, we all can agree... but take your band of hypocrites to China, India, Indonesia, etc. where real pollution is being
dumped on the earth or into the atmosphere. Let them catch up to us on how to clean up the environment. It should be about healthy living, on a
beautiful planet, and not the fantasy of changing the global climate... Keep it real!
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pacificobob
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This from a Fox robot? Or maybe i misunderstood the strange grammar in your first sentence.
[Edited on 10-15-2021 by pacificobob]
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David K
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I was replying to goat... How did you miss his reply? Doesn't matter... Facts are not important to some of you! Have a nice day, Bob!
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Honestly - I haven't watched Fox News in years. MSNBC or CNN either for that matter. I do read a lot of news on line from a variety of sources fully
aware that I am reading a biased presentation no matter what my source is. I try to read enough from both sides on articles I'm interested in to
juxtapose the information and draw my own conclusions.
Nice try though
Your friends locally or otherwise are irrelevant to the hypocrisy of leadership on the issue. If they truly believe & their strongest desire is
to have us(the multitudinous peons) accept their dictates and dogma - why don't they show us how its done?
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Also - you climate change enthusiasts never address the concept of pollution trade-offs. Batteries - what no pollution from manufacture or waste or
by-product? Solar panels ? Windmills?
There are trade-offs unless you believe societies worldwide can sustain any economic viability without consistent energy. Try convincing us climate
"science" deniers that's a viable approach.
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It's a need for drama and/or control that drives the 'man is more powerful than Nature and can change natural events' groups.
Those in power and corporations found a way to extract money from people by force or by fear... getting them to buy into the notion we can reverse the
natural climate changes through taxes or 'green products'.
We are not alive long enough to see a global climate change from one to another... we do see weather changes and people are led to believe that these
are climate changes. Hot summers are really no different than past hot summers... same is true for cold winters... and we can only rely on record
keeping that is not much more than 100 years old. That is hardly a way to see real changes.
Be clean, but don't feel threatened to live green... We Americans have excelled in lowering pollution considering all we do and that we help feed the
world and make life enhancing products.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lewmt |
Your friends locally or otherwise are irrelevant to the hypocrisy of leadership on the issue. If they truly believe & their strongest desire is
to have us(the multitudinous peons) accept their dictates and dogma - why don't they show us how its done? |
That is ridiculous! You wont do the right thing just because you see some leaders not doing the right thing? Some leaders are
doing the right thing, why not look to them for example to guide your uncertain morality? Do you continue smoking just because you see some people in
leadership continue to smoke?
You should always do the right thing regardless of what you see other people do.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | It's a need for drama and/or control that drives the 'man is more powerful than Nature and can change natural events' groups.
Those in power and corporations found a way to extract money from people by force or by fear... getting them to buy into the notion we can reverse the
natural climate changes through taxes or 'green products'.
We are not alive long enough to see a global climate change from one to another... we do see weather changes and people are led to believe that these
are climate changes. Hot summers are really no different than past hot summers... same is true for cold winters... and we can only rely on record
keeping that is not much more than 100 years old. That is hardly a way to see real changes.
Be clean, but don't feel threatened to live green... We Americans have excelled in lowering pollution considering all we do and that we help feed the
world and make life enhancing products. |
There are many example of mans impact on climate, biggest example is mans greenhouse gas emissions causing global warming - it is even accepted fact
at Exxon. On small scale we even saw climate change in usa due to lack if contrails right after 911 when diurnal temp variation increased due to
absence of contrail pollution.
There are many historical records of climate changes. Look at the little ice age in medieval times. Look at the cycles of drought in usa.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Ice cores, tree rings, sediment layers, pollen analysis, etc. All common methods used by scientists to discern ancient climate and atmospheric
conditions. Like the layer of iridium found that helped to narrow the date of the dinosaur demise.
John
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Correct John... science is great and always changing as new facts are known.
No goat, you are confusing weather changes with climate changes.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | I am sure no more than you are a CNN or MSNBC robot.
The climate has ALWAYS changed and mankind adapts or dies. During the Ice Age and subsequent Warming, people adapted. HUMANS cannot change the climate
or the sea level, that is a NATURAL event that happens over hundreds of years.
Being 'clean' is a good thing, we all can agree... but take your band of hypocrites to China, India, Indonesia, etc. where real pollution is being
dumped on the earth or into the atmosphere. Let them catch up to us on how to clean up the environment. It should be about healthy living, on a
beautiful planet, and not the fantasy of changing the global climate... Keep it real! |
You have no idea tired I am of reading the garbage you write.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | I am sure no more than you are a CNN or MSNBC robot.
The climate has ALWAYS changed and mankind adapts or dies. During the Ice Age and subsequent Warming, people adapted. HUMANS cannot change the climate
or the sea level, that is a NATURAL event that happens over hundreds of years.
Being 'clean' is a good thing, we all can agree... but take your band of hypocrites to China, India, Indonesia, etc. where real pollution is being
dumped on the earth or into the atmosphere. Let them catch up to us on how to clean up the environment. It should be about healthy living, on a
beautiful planet, and not the fantasy of changing the global climate... Keep it real! |
You have no idea tired I am of reading the garbage you write. |
I submit that your being "tired" of what DK writes is YOUR problem. I certainly appreciate his opinions, and like what he writes, and totally agree
with him.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | HUMANS cannot change the climate or the sea level, that is a NATURAL event that happens over hundreds of years.
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Delusional rantings of Baja Tourists.
Any bets David and Barry believe The Big Lie?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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The EU has been at the forefront in pushing Green Energy for years. In the latest example of how much fossil fuels are still needed now, Europe is
facing a cold winter with energy shortages and no reserves. Ironically in spite of sanctions, threatening, and even sabotage, the US was unable to
prevent Russia who completed the gas pipeline alone just recently. In the last few days the US asked Russia would they please hurry and start up the
line to save the EU problem. Another example of failed leadership in addressing the problems facing the country and the world.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | I've been to China about 20 times. The pollution is so bad you can feel it burning your face. Let us know when they sign up for a Green New Deal.
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I have also been to China and SE Asia. Unbelievable pollution. You have to experience it to believe. How about a Green New Deal for those Bozos and
leave us alone.
Marc
Exercise regularly. Eat sensibly. Die anyway.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | HUMANS cannot change the climate or the sea level, that is a NATURAL event that happens over hundreds of years.
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Delusional rantings of Baja Tourists.
Any bets David and Barry believe The Big Lie?
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I would put that bet into the "lead pipe cinch" category.
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Where is the recycling stuff going? China stopped taking it so where are we sending it? My guess is to the dump where it went before. As far as I know
only aluminum cans and paper is being recycled in the U.S.
A Google Search:
According to the EPA, of the 267.8 million tons of municipal solid waste generated by Americans in 2017, only 94.2 million tons were recycled or
composted. Sixty-six percent of discarded paper and cardboard was recycled, 27 percent of glass, and 8 percent of plastics were recycled.Mar 13, 2020
What percentage of recycling actually gets recycled 2020?
This will likely come as no surprise to longtime readers, but according to National Geographic, an astonishing 91 percent of plastic doesn't actually
get recycled. This means that only around 9 percent is being recycled.Mar 16, 2021
Why is glass no longer recyclable?
Note: Drinking glasses, glass objects, and window glass cannot be placed with recyclable glass because they have different chemical properties and
melt at different temperatures than the recyclable bottles and containers. Broken drinking glass goes into the trash stream.
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Hurtling towards oblivion on so many fronts.
John
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When I replaced the single pane, aluminum sash windows in my dad's house
ten years ago, the recycling center at the local transfer station would not accept the glass panes.
They would take the aluminum frames, as long as all non-aluminum rivets and screws were removed, but they told me to toss the clean glass into the
trash!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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