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San Jaunillo Ghost Galleon
Which beach on the western coast of Baja in 1579 did the ghost galleon drift up upon??? The Ensenada museum is going to be showing artifacts found by
Edward Van Porten soon.
https://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Galleon-Archaeology-California-...
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North of Guerrero negro, several dozens of miles, more or less.
These locations are kept confidential to keep scavengers from looting…
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Not sure, but I will guess it was on Isla Arena??
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North of Guerrero negro, several dozens of miles, more or less.
These locations are kept confidential to keep scavengers from looting…
[Edited on 8-25-2021 by mtgoat666] |
 Got the GPS co-ords for that area?
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Scavenging wrecks is as American as apple pie. Lots of communities along the eastern seaboard made livings off plundered wrecks.
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The debris from the wreck was laying on the beach. Perhaps covered for hundreds of years. When it was discovered, archeologist Dr. Eric Ritter was
called. I can't think of a better scenario to study and preserve the discovery. Now, we all can examine the past, better. I don't think this was quite
a scavenging job, in the typical sense... Eric Ritter has several papers on Baja California and I have spoken to him over the phone about his work. A
nice guy!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The debris from the wreck was laying on the beach. Perhaps covered for hundreds of years. When it was discovered, archeologist Dr. Eric Ritter was
called. I can't think of a better scenario to study and preserve the discovery. Now, we all can examine the past, better. I don't think this was quite
a scavenging job, in the typical sense... Eric Ritter has several papers on Baja California and I have spoken to him over the phone about his work. A
nice guy! |
Dk,
Don’t be obtuse. INAH-authorized collection is OK. Collection by you constitutes scavenging/theft.
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By me? I didn't collect anything... I don't even know where it was found. Don't be ridiculous.
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http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=54044
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=83282
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The Galleon & crews long return journey from the Philippines to NorCal and then down the length of Baja had the crew all dying off of Scurvy. The
ship essentially drifted onto the beach and was slowly destroyed by storms is the current theory. The theory is supported by the degree of seaworm
penetration into beeswax while the hull was intact for a year or so.
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The links from Doug are to the shipwreck of the San Felipe. Did they re-identify the ship or is this a different ship?
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Theres another one off the Oregon coast called the Beeswax wreck.
I don't think they've actually found it, Just some of the timbers, beeswax, and pottery shards.
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Thank you, Lance.
Here is another online version of the Consag book: https://archive.org/details/lifeworksofrever00kons/
In Spanish, is this book about Consag by Carlos Lazcano (many photos and maps): http://www.archivohistoricobcs.com.mx/files/libros/pdf/Texto...
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The links from Doug are to the shipwreck of the San Felipe. Did they re-identify the ship or is this a different ship? |
This is about the San Jauanillo
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So where is it? I would like to sneak in there with my metal detector and dig up some artifacts to sell on the black market. Ha Ha just kidding, one
of my in-laws is an archaeologist and she would kill me.
"Consag's wreck", described in Peterson's Baja Adventure Book, was found on "sand island" across from the old salt pier. In 1962 a couple of beach
combers found a jug that was identified from photographs as made in Germany between 1690 and 1710. Peterson speculated that this was the wreckage of
a Manilla galleon that Consag had observed on his voyage of exploration in 1751. The wreck site is off limits to treasure hunters.
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I think the spelling is San Juanillo.
So two, very similar shipwreck stories?
San Felipe was a 1576 wreck: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ship-s-story-revealed... and http://www.bayareascience.org/calendar/index.php?eID=5488
San Juanillo was a 1578 wreck: https://oregoncoastmagazine.com/2019/11/05/ship-of-mystery/ and https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-981-32-9248-...
I guess they are all popping up from under the sands of time. Nice that the sea hasn't risen enough to hide them longer!
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Sunken treasure?
I emailed a friend who at one time was one of the top BLM officials in California. He was involved - and on site - for a while, during the research
project involving the Ghost Galleon.
I hope to prod him for details of his work.
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Very interesting reading.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
I guess they are all popping up from under the sands of time. Nice that the sea hasn't risen enough to hide them longer! |
On the contrary, the fact wrecks are becoming more uncovered is due to rising seas eroding the coastal dunes where wrecks get buried, and the
depletion of river borne sand into coastal areas (dams, harbors, etc.) means less replacement as time goes on. Completely fits with rising sea
levels and the predicted effects.
It all depends on the locality of each ship when it foundered as to how the wreck is buried. Rocky shoreline or near rivermouths or even big sand
traps like Baja has near GN, etc.
John
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Anyone find anything cool in Baja with a metal detector? One of the new hobbies I'm looking at for retirement? My grandfather was an avid gold panner,
prospector and metal detector. Lots of good memories all over the West with him.
Not trying to derail a thread so I can start another if this isn't on subject?
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