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1719 San Marcos ship building
can you fill in the details David?
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Not sure about the San Marcos part
There is a little book - 15 pages - The First Ship Built in the Californias by Theodore Hittell that chronicles the building of El Triunfo de
la Cruz in 1619.
Page 7 says that the first considerable voyage made by [Father Juan] Ugarte's new vessel was in November 1720 from Loreto to La Paz.
I paged through it and didn't see any reference to San Marcos, are there specific details you might be looking for? I'd be happy to read through the
book if it may have info for you.
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If it mentions the source of the trees for the build, that would be of interest.
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San Marcos
4x4abc - I was a little too quick with my initial reply - Antigua California page 97 does show San Marcos on a map in his discussion of the
1619 ship building. Just north of Mulege. Crosby refers to San Marcos as a mission visita and as an Indian rancheria
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How exciting to wake up and find a history question!
Harald, my article on the ship building is here:
https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/mission_...
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Although Antigua California shows a map (mentioned by John M) that includes the region where the güéribo trees grow, recent discoveries have found
the actually cut tree trucks from 1719! Maybe I can find that, but as I recall is was just to the north of Mission Guadalupe.
EDIT, found it and posted below!
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Quote: Originally posted by John M  | There is a little book - 15 pages - The First Ship Built in the Californias by Theodore Hittell that chronicles the building of El Triunfo de
la Cruz in 1619.
Page 7 says that the first considerable voyage made by [Father Juan] Ugarte's new vessel was in November 1720 from Loreto to La Paz.
I paged through it and didn't see any reference to San Marcos, are there specific details you might be looking for? I'd be happy to read through the
book if it may have info for you.
John M
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While Ugarte writes that they returned to Mulegé via San Marcos, the ship was built where the river meets the sea, in Mulegé. In San Marcos (an
Indian rancheria) they ate a deer that had been killed by a (mountain) lion, discovered by circling buzzards. It smelled so bad, but their hunger was
too great!
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here are all the places that are related to the Güeribo tree and the ship building project at San Marcos
Attachment: phpuok8na (4kB)
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do we agree on the year? 1719?
the ship was built in Mulege?
the Sierra la Laguna has Güeribo trees as well - but it was a bit far away I guess. If it was even known at the time.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | do we agree on the year? 1719?
the ship was built in Mulege?
the Sierra la Laguna has Güeribo trees as well - but it was a bit far away I guess. If it was even known at the time. |
Yes, yes, and yes.
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the Nomad server gobbled it up
looks like the software does not like the "ü"
let's try again:
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Attachment: all Gueribo.kmz (4kB)
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That's better!
For those who don't want to open a Google Earth map:
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interesting how many places carry the name Güeribo, Guerivo, Güerigo, Huerivo,
that's what I tried to get a cross in an earlier post about clues on the maps
Baja is full if traces and hints to its history
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Ugarte's Güérivo lumber source found!
From the fantastic slide presentation: https://www.dstretch.com/CNPSGueribo/index.html
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Found that Güeribo harvesting site a couple of years ago on sat images.
Did not know at the time what it was
The images and the trail description of the slide show confirm that it is indeed the Güeribo site
26°57'21.68"N, 112°25'6.26"W
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Pretty wild to see tree cutting evidence from 302 years ago!!!
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San Marcos was just a place to rest and eat on their way to Mulegé.
I can scan and share the story from Padre Ugarte... All pretty interesting.
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well, they are careful in that report - they just presented logging evidence
they did not dare say the pieces were from the 1700's
but they could be
so many things to be found out in Baja
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | San Marcos was just a place to rest and eat on their way to Mulegé.
I can scan and share the story from Padre Ugarte... All pretty interesting.
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why would they chose to travel via san Marcos?
it is completely out of the way going back to Mulege
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