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I personally see no problem with driving a vehicle even supplied with nat gas supplied power at less than 50% of the CO2 produced per unit energy,
enjoying far fewer repairs and maintenance and recharging costs and being able to keep that vehicle on the road before scrapping far longer. The bonus
is 4 wheel computer controlled traction systems that have been developed along the way.
Letourneaux 5 decades ago had 6 wheel electric drive computer controlled diesel generated log loaders that showed the capabilities of a computer
driven vehicle in heavy mud and extremely higher load carrying capabilities. The world is just really slow in catching up.
Here are the recent specs in Norway, no wonder they have amassed the largest per capita public retirement fund from the energy redeployment they have
accomplished:
https://insideevs.com/news/537973/norway-plugin-car-sales-se...
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | Like the "slow food" movement, perhaps the allure of "slow travel" will carry us forward. A renaissance of "boutique/unique" motels along a newly
"supercharged" Route 66?
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Yes, Baja is a long way behind the rest of the world in making this an attractive alternative. Perhaps it's the commitment to gasoline fueling as an
economic source of incomes for so many? Norway is the present leader here,… |
Norway used tax and fee structure to make e-vehicles economically preferable over gasoline/diesel vehicles.
The USA could be a much better place if USA emulated Norway’s socialist policies!
Sadly, most Americans prefer to forego health care and retirement, and have a shorter life expectancy, because ‘freedom.’
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I would argue the high rebates in the US (not nearly as high up here in Canada) and the cheaper cost of E-vehicles in the US have combined to make
electric vehicles the very cheapest mode of personal transportation for some time now. Those people who believe they have something to lose with the
transition continue to oppose what has been the obvious solution for a long time. Chinese and Europeans are just more willing to adapt than the North
Americans, and this is what really worries me for the future of our children and grandchildren.
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North American Auto Manufacturers are busily and successfully lobbying for more and more complex "public safety" additions to new vehicles as the
required dealer servicing of an electric vehicle is almost non-existent. Having a complex array of automatic shutdown vehicles guaranteed to fail at
inopportune times will bring the costs of maintenance back up for the manufacturers. At the same time, they can justify keeping costs up with
mandatory safety features and delay the transition based on cost of installed parts.
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Each time another area of the world develops a far superior and more efficient method of providing a useful product, the lobbyists in the US push for
tariffs or regulations so they do not have to transition to more efficiency at the same rates. This has the end result of keeping innovation at arms
length and supporting existing inefficient local practices. Costs for the end user go up, and innovation is pushed out to other countries. It's a
troubling and self defeating practise for the future viability of North American innovation. We have seen this in lumber, energy, computer chips,
steel, aluminum and the list goes on and on.
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Unions and regulations likely figure into the calculation too. Are lobbyists on all sides.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Each time another area of the world develops a far superior and more efficient method of providing a useful product, the lobbyists in the US push for
tariffs or regulations so they do not have to transition to more efficiency at the same rates. |
In all countries the lobbyists for labor and industry will fight to keep their jobs and market share.
Increased “efficiency” usually means killing jobs, and increased income inequality.
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While that seems to always be the immediate response, I think history shows efficiency means less work for the same output, allowing for reduced
working hours for the same standard of living, along with reduced energy use to provide the same. Farriers are now a rarity, replaced by mechanics
engineers and wealth managers, it takes minutes rather than hours or days to obtain supplies, travel to and from school and hospitals and even prepare
food.
In 1919 we were convinced we could never manage to feed the then existing global population of 1.7 billion and there would need to be a winnowing of
races to do so (eugenics was born on this surety). Now at close to 5 times that population we manage to waste 40% of global food production because
the demand is not sufficient to provide the profits we want.
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"In all countries the lobbyists for labor and industry will fight to keep their jobs and market share."
And for this reason we should be very wary of any government funded and supported primarily by those two most powerful drivers of the eventual
decisions that government will be making. Politicians know how to feed those two sources to maintain their power, while giving the general populace
the excuses they will accept.
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JDCanuck, I could not agree more with your last statement. It becomes hard, then, for all of us I suspect, to decide if to embrace large government
(regardless of who is perceived to be in charge) or to work to limit it.
Electric vehicles, at least for a while, are "the future." But they will have their issues too, especially over the long term and if they are supposed
to be adopted by all of humanity.
After electric, the next better thing? Keep an eye on the lobbyists!
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I think it's pretty easy to see in history that the more freedom individuals had to improve and innovate outside of government regulatory restraints,
the faster the nations that promoted that advanced both as individuals and as a nation. I don't think Intel, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google or
Tesla would have done anywhere near as well under other more regulated regimes.
This makes it even more interesting that now many of those who benefited so greatly by open innovation now would like the rest of us to be constrained
by limits imposed upon others. Musk seems to be the only one presently opposed to much bigger government approaching those that fell behind in the
past.
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Ahhh, I see the campaign against Musk as a "Far Right Extremist" has already begun.
https://thenextweb.com/news/elon-musk-completes-his-transiti...
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| Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks | | A month ago I went to a Rivian event in Venice, CA -- I was impressed with the skid plate which provides protection to the entire underside of the
truck. |
Skid plate is a must to protect the battery! Off-road damage to battery could result in explosion and/or fire. Major hazard driving off-road with EV.
"I'm too young to be this old!"
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We are going to see a lot of off-road EV's produced this year. Will take a while to determine which ones will handle the roughest terrain best. I have
always liked Rivian for the extra thought they put into making a very practical truck and SUV. Big advantage to electric drive is the ability to
locate weight and batteries for maximized rollover resistance, storage space and control traction more responsively to all 4 drive wheels.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | We are going to see a lot of off-road EV's produced this year. Will take a while to determine which ones will handle the roughest terrain best. I have
always liked Rivian for the extra thought they put into making a very practical truck and SUV. Big advantage to electric drive is the ability to
locate weight and batteries for maximized rollover resistance, storage space and control traction more responsively to all 4 drive wheels.
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no new electric 4x4 will ever be as bad-a$$ as this 50-year-old e-vehicle:
gotta love big government science and engineering!
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Last weekend I went to a Rivian R1T test-drive event at an airport outside LA where I got to drive the truck, both high-speed on-runway, also an
off-road track. Typical of the EV beast, the truck was torquey, super-responsive, very fun to drive.
The off-road track had some water ruts, plus some fairly steep grades which were hard-packed. All in, the truck performed flawlessly, stuck to the
ground.
The truck's regen braking is adjustable -- mine was set to aggressive. When I let off the accelerator pedal, it was almost like applying the brakes,
kind of unusual, but something I could definitely grow to appreciate. It's also nice to know that when I let off the "gas," the truck is actually
producing a little electricity for the truck to use later, not just wearing down brake pads/shoes.
As everyone has already discussed, the charging infrastructure in Baja will make it challenging for EVs, but not so much in more developed parts of
the world.
Let the squabbling continue ...
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Rivian for Baja travel?
Only on the big cities. There are no EVs sold for rural use like Baja. Such a vehicle will be possible someday after very fast charging stations are
a closer together as every few miles.
Continue with your academic discussion that that has no answer.
Such a machine is not applicable outside an urban environment when charge at home every night is possible.
BTW, I considered a small EV for daily driving in San Felipe, but It would have to be trailered to get it there. Once there plug in at home and pray
it would have no repairs or mechanical difficulties. Not low cost to purchase.
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Rivian for Baja travel?
Only on the big cities. There are no EVs sold for rural use like Baja. Such a vehicle will be possible someday after very fast charging stations are
a closer together as every few miles.
Continue with your academic discussion that that has no answer.
Such a machine is not applicable outside an urban environment when charge at home every night is possible.
BTW, I considered a small EV for daily driving in San Felipe, but It would have to be trailered to get it there. Once there plug in at home and pray
it would have no repairs or mechanical difficulties. Not low cost to purchase.
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We live about 50 miles out of La Paz on a very rough road, and both the Rivian and Ford EV trucks give about 300 mile range in lowest priced formats.
Several charge points at convenient locations in La Paz where we often shop. Seems doable to me even if we didn't have solar excess at our home to
charge at excess solar times of day.
I'm mostly interested tho in plugging in an F-150 Lightning (120kwh) or similar as an external battery storage if we have several days of cloudy
weather. For that purpose alone, it's extremely well priced.
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Rivian for Baja travel?
Only on the big cities. There are no EVs sold for rural use like Baja. Such a vehicle will be possible someday after very fast charging stations are
a closer together as every few miles.
Continue with your academic discussion that that has no answer.
Such a machine is not applicable outside an urban environment when charge at home every night is possible.
BTW, I considered a small EV for daily driving in San Felipe, but It would have to be trailered to get it there. Once there plug in at home and pray
it would have no repairs or mechanical difficulties. Not low cost to purchase.
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Audi is showing the way in Dakar with their series hybrids, some bad luck has taken em out of contention but these first year cars are the real deal.
how about FOUR american bikes in the top ten!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto | | Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Rivian for Baja travel?
Only on the big cities. There are no EVs sold for rural use like Baja. Such a vehicle will be possible someday after very fast charging stations are
a closer together as every few miles.
Continue with your academic discussion that that has no answer.
Such a machine is not applicable outside an urban environment when charge at home every night is possible.
BTW, I considered a small EV for daily driving in San Felipe, but It would have to be trailered to get it there. Once there plug in at home and pray
it would have no repairs or mechanical difficulties. Not low cost to purchase.
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Audi is showing the way in Dakar with their series hybrids, some bad luck has taken em out of contention but these first year cars are the real deal.
how about FOUR american bikes in the top ten! |
It seems i could have beaten the audi team driving my stock f150 or even my bicycle 
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