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Thanks Don Pisto: Has been difficult for me to get the levels in BC and BCS recently. Hoping to travel down mid Feb, so hopefully this recent Omicron
wave peaks and declines there as quickly as it has elsewhere.
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Gnukid,
We all know that vaccines are not 100% effective. And, not 100% harmless.
We all know that Covid is not 100% fatal. And, not 100% harmless.
Most of us comprehend that the real problem is the overtaxing of our healthcare system, which strains first responders, costs unnecessary millions
(billions?) more to taxpayers, and sacrifices health service capacity which costs additional lives in postponed treatment.
Selfishness is expensive! How many unnecessary health care dollars went to try and save the life of that Orange County DA, which very likely could
have been avoided with an inexpensive vaccination?
And, once again, most all of us realize that. But....
Continue to worry about the trees, and miss the forest. Navel gazing can be therapeutic.
John
[Edited on 1-11-2022 by John Harper]
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | I know this is really irksome to some, but more and more scientists are coming to this same conclusion as they follow the Omicron waves in various
countries. Follow the Science:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10386665/Covid-kill...
Dr Clive Dix, the former chief of the UK's vaccine taskforce, called for a return to a 'new normality' and for Covid to be treated like the flu now
that they have a similar death rate.
MailOnline analysis shows the UK's case fatality rate — the proportion of confirmed infections that end in death — has shrunk 21-fold from 3 per
cent last winter to 0.15 per cent at the end of December. For comparison, seasonal influenza is thought to have a case-fatality rate of around 0.1 per
cent but fewer tests are done. Other scientists expect the infection-fatality rate, which is naturally even lower, to be similar.
Dr Dix, who was instrumental in acquiring the UK's initial Covid jab supply, called for mass population-based vaccination to end in favour of a
'targeted strategy' aimed at the vulnerable.
There are also calls for routine testing to be scrapped to put an end to the self-isolation crisis plaguing businesses and vital services now that
Omicron is causing little or no symptoms for most. Writing in the Mail today, Professor Angus Dalgleish, an oncologist at St George's University, said
mass screening was beginning to amount to 'national self-harm'.
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Yes, comparing covid to the flu is irksome. It was irksome when Trump did it and apparently we haven't learned yet (850,000 deaths). Covid is deadly.
The flu rarely is. You can't just fold your arms and say it's over because Omicron is less dangerous than the previous half dozen variants. The fight
isn't over. There will be more deadly variants to come almost certainly. We have come such a long way to just stop the vaccinations now is insane.
That's how I feel about it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Yes, comparing covid to the flu is irksome. It was irksome when Trump did it and apparently we haven't learned yet (850,000 deaths). Covid is deadly.
The flu rarely is. You can't just fold your arms and say it's over because Omicron is less dangerous than the previous half dozen variants. The fight
isn't over. There will be more deadly variants to come almost certainly. We have come such a long way to just stop the vaccinations now is insane.
That's how I feel about it. |
I think this is the end of it.
We will see.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X |
Hmmm...low risk, mild symptoms, large immune system benefit, natural antibodies, no myocarditis...compared to the vaccine and boosters...must
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"The United States reported 1.35 million new coronavirus infections on Monday, according to a Reuters tally, the highest daily total for any country
in the world, driven by the Omicron variant.
There were more than 136,604 people hospitalized with COVID-19 in the United States, surpassing the record of 132,051 set in January last year,
according to the tally for Monday."
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We here in British Columbia seem to be following the South Africa, UK and other countries' experience in this latest wave. Omicron surge hit fast and
hard driving hospitalizations up and then new cases per day peaked out about 5 days ago, far fewer fatalities and hospitalizations beginning to fall
off again as people recovered more rapidly from milder symptoms than with the Delta strain.
Looks like US and Mexico are lagging behind us and have yet to hit their peaks.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Yes, comparing covid to the flu is irksome. It was irksome when Trump did it and apparently we haven't learned yet (850,000 deaths). Covid is deadly.
The flu rarely is. You can't just fold your arms and say it's over because Omicron is less dangerous than the previous half dozen variants. The fight
isn't over. There will be more deadly variants to come almost certainly. We have come such a long way to just stop the vaccinations now is insane.
That's how I feel about it. |
I think this is the end of it.
We will see.
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What will the next variant be called?
1/3 of Americans are still unvaxed, wearing their masks below their noses and licking door knobs.
Can’t avoid a pandemic when 1/3 of Americans are stupid…
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Yes, comparing covid to the flu is irksome. It was irksome when Trump did it and apparently we haven't learned yet (850,000 deaths). Covid is deadly.
The flu rarely is. You can't just fold your arms and say it's over because Omicron is less dangerous than the previous half dozen variants. The fight
isn't over. There will be more deadly variants to come almost certainly. We have come such a long way to just stop the vaccinations now is insane.
That's how I feel about it. |
I think this is the end of it.
We will see.
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Those UK scientists never talked about stopping the vaccinations, just redirecting them more efficiently to those most at risk as a priority. I
thought they were quite clear about that in the article. Hoarding supplies until they expire in a country where people do not want them rather than
releasing them to countries where they line up for days to get them does not seem very efficient.
[Edited on 1-12-2022 by JDCanuck]
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Here is something interesting. It shows that during times of high covid cases the unvaccinated covid patients do push out the non-covid patients out
of ICU beds.
Several people had suspected that but here is the proof that it happens. This is one reason why the vaccinated are so irate at the non-vaccinated.
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Interesting, if I am reading the graph right, we have throughout the pandemic had at least some ICU beds available. I understood there were times we
were at capacity. Am I reading it wrong, were we never at capacity, or is the graph incorrect?
I also wonder if the comorbidity issue people mention has something to do with what appears to be a reduction on non-covid occupants as the covid
occupants increase. Any thoughts on this?
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
What will the next variant be called?
1/3 of Americans are still unvaxed, wearing their masks below their noses and licking door knobs.
Can’t avoid a pandemic when 1/3 of Americans are stupid…
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What does being vaxxed have to do with stopping infections?
Stop rooting for the virus.
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Sounds like smoking weed could save your life.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-f...
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Hi Skipjack: I looked for that graph you posted and can't find the data source. This was the one that i came up with showing the raw data over the
entire US
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend
[Edited on 1-12-2022 by JDCanuck]
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I’m not surprised that you didn’t find it. It’s for the state of Idaho. The same issue can be seen for the entire country but to a lesser
extent. It happens when you reach the capacity of hospital beds and that’s more likely to happen in states where vaccination is taken less
seriously.
Regarding comorbidity. I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid. Ive never bought into the argument that case numbers are false.
That’s gnukid’s territory. The biggest changes occur when ICUs are filled to capacity or close to it. That’s when the non covid numbers drop.
It’s clear that the medical staff has to prioritize based on the severity of the illness. They are professionals that don’t care if the patient is
vaccinated or not.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | I’m not surprised that you didn’t find it. It’s for the state of Idaho. The same issue can be seen for the entire country but to a lesser
extent. It happens when you reach the capacity of hospital beds and that’s more likely to happen in states where vaccination is taken less
seriously.
Regarding comorbidity. I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid. Ive never bought into the argument that case numbers are false.
That’s gnukid’s territory. The biggest changes occur when ICUs are filled to capacity or close to it. That’s when the non covid numbers drop.
It’s clear that the medical staff has to prioritize based on the severity of the illness. They are professionals that don’t care if the patient is
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Skipjack:
I wondered if it wasn't a specific state, thanks. Yes, we up here in some provinces have exceeded our ICU capacity as more and more hospital staff
have tested positive to Omicron. Thankfully in British Columbia, the ICU cases began declining before we reached that point and seem to be continuing
down at present due to the more rapid recovery rates along with very rapidly declining fatality rates.
I am very thankful our system is being run and managed by experienced Science based health professionals and the political wrangling has never been a
big issue as both sides have supported the directives. I do believe this is what has from the very beginning led to high acceptance rates as the
public trust levels are very high. Vaccines and testing has always been in short supply and very few were wasted as people lined up to receive what
was available
[Edited on 1-12-2022 by JDCanuck]
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"I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid."
No, actually I mean co.... More than one thing, and including covid.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Regarding comorbidity. I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid. Ive never bought into the argument that case numbers are false.
That’s gnukid’s territory. The biggest changes occur when ICUs are filled to capacity or close to it. That’s when the non covid numbers drop.
It’s clear that the medical staff has to prioritize based on the severity of the illness. They are professionals that don’t care if the patient is
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The CDC director just said this week that at least 75% of ppl with Covid who died had 4 comorbidities.
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This is interesting.
California health care workers who test positive for Covid-19 and are asymptomatic can return to work immediately, according to the latest guidance
from the state’s public health department.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavi...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe |
Regarding comorbidity. I guess you mean non covid cases being counted as covid. Ive never bought into the argument that case numbers are false.
That’s gnukid’s territory. The biggest changes occur when ICUs are filled to capacity or close to it. That’s when the non covid numbers drop.
It’s clear that the medical staff has to prioritize based on the severity of the illness. They are professionals that don’t care if the patient is
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The CDC director just said this week that at least 75% of ppl with Covid who died had 4 comorbidities.
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This is copied from the Fox News website. If I read it correctly the study shows that 78% of the .0033% who died were being discussed re risk
factors. I also watched the entire interview which made that pretty clear at least to me. Context matters.
"Among 1,228,664 persons who completed primary vaccination during December 2020–October 2021, severe COVID-19–associated outcomes (0.015%) or
death (0.0033%) were rare. Risk factors for severe outcomes included age ≥65 years, immunosuppressed, and six other underlying conditions. All
persons with severe outcomes had at least one risk factor; 78% of persons who died had at least four," the CDC study released Friday said."
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By the beginning of that date range (December 2020-October 2021), US was just beginning the vaccinations so I assume that includes just the first
vaccine shot, and extends right up to the double dose fully vaccinated date. Were boosters begun by Oct 2021?
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