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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 06:07 AM
Inflation in Baja


Mexico has normally had pretty cheap electricity compared to Canada and the US. Along with gasoline price increases, is anyone noticing much more costly food, electricity, propane and natural gas prices lately?

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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 07:30 AM


balancing 2 tires went from $100 to 200

dog food (40 lb) went from $585 to $730

my cigars went from $83 to $93 ea

bread still $150

Gas still around $20.50

beer unchanged




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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 07:55 AM


The electric bill on my house in Sonora was always very high in the summer months. Much higher than the US.




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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 08:22 AM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
balancing 2 tires went from $100 to 200

dog food (40 lb) went from $585 to $730

my cigars went from $83 to $93 ea

bread still $150

Gas still around $20.50

beer unchanged


So the necessities , Beer, Gas and Bread remain about the same, while transportation repairs and pet food is rising. We are seeing drastic increases in energy, most foods up here, altho, yeah bread is still the same. I checked the cost of propane in Mexico tho for the backup generator, and it has almost doubled in a couple years. This and gasoline are the only energy costs we have down in Baja, so I was getting a bit worried. Good to hear gasoline costs have stayed down, likely due to significant hedging by Mexico, while it is hitting new highs up here and oil is still well below past peaks. I see a new 1970's type inflationary period setting in globally and preparing to hedge myself wherever possible.

[Edited on 2-11-2022 by JDCanuck]




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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 08:26 AM


I've watched a bunch of stuff on the Canadian truckers. Good for those guys. But it's definitely gonna hose up the supply chain even more.





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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 09:00 AM
What about Chokis'?


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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 10:04 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Why is this in the Off-Roading forum?

DavidK: My fault I guess, I was unaware of the consequences of starting a new topic by bringing up an existing post and hitting the new topic tab. I promise to be more careful in future.


Oh, no worries... just wondering if I missed some reason (which I do more often as I get older)!

This is Doug's forum and he moved it to Q&A and removed my question (good job, Doug).

Gasoline this week at the cheapest place typically in San Diego North County (Costco, San Marcos) was $4.29 for 87 octane. Since everything needs to be shipped from the source to the market, this allowing fuel prices to rise, directly increases the costs of EVERYTHING.




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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 10:21 AM


Based on fuel costs rising, and then eventually moving to costs of electricity, it seems it's a better time than ever to consider solar, altho lately even it has been affected by supply and tariff cost increases after decades of steadily decreasing costs. I noticed quite a few people in on grid areas just install enough solar to keep them down at the lowest tier and give them power for necessary equipment in outages. Seems like an increasingly wise way to go.



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[*] posted on 2-11-2022 at 07:23 PM


All goods are up in Mexico City water and power still cheap. Water went up to 7 bucks a month. Power Nov. Dec. 15 bucks two months.
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[*] posted on 2-12-2022 at 10:34 AM


We were amazed at the low cost of water at 12 pesos or even lower to get the bottle refilled. The Mexican government seems to be doing extremely well at keeping gasoline, power and water costs down in this global high demand period. Grow your own fruit and vegies, catch fish and collect oysters and it's a whole lot cheaper still to survive down there.



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[*] posted on 2-12-2022 at 10:46 AM


Case of Pacifico in Los Barriles went from $350 to $370
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[*] posted on 2-12-2022 at 12:49 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
We were amazed at the low cost of water at 12 pesos or even lower to get the bottle refilled. The Mexican government seems to be doing extremely well at keeping gasoline, power and water costs down in this global high demand period. Grow your own fruit and vegies, catch fish and collect oysters and it's a whole lot cheaper still to survive down there.


They wanted the price of gas to go up in the US so they could force ppl to EVs.

Don't think that is gonna work out too well for them.




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[*] posted on 2-12-2022 at 01:12 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
We were amazed at the low cost of water at 12 pesos or even lower to get the bottle refilled. The Mexican government seems to be doing extremely well at keeping gasoline, power and water costs down in this global high demand period. Grow your own fruit and vegies, catch fish and collect oysters and it's a whole lot cheaper still to survive down there.


They wanted the price of gas to go up in the US so they could force ppl to EVs.

Don't think that is gonna work out too well for them.


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[*] posted on 2-12-2022 at 07:39 PM


That is almost a 50% increase!


Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  
for years my electrical bills stayed around $5 a month now they've jumped up to a whopping $7 a month. couple years ago Tecate was 120p a 12 pack now its always around 150p. Telnor has gone up a few bucks also.




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[*] posted on 2-12-2022 at 09:08 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
We were amazed at the low cost of water at 12 pesos or even lower to get the bottle refilled. The Mexican government seems to be doing extremely well at keeping gasoline, power and water costs down in this global high demand period. Grow your own fruit and vegies, catch fish and collect oysters and it's a whole lot cheaper still to survive down there.


It costs me about the same to fill up here as it does in San Diego. The cost of water (for five gallons) recently went from 15-20 pesos. Electricity is not cheap either. So I'd have to disagree with your statement.

But overall, the cost of living here is well below living in San Diego. The biggest difference is that there are few opportunities to spend money where we live.





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[*] posted on 2-13-2022 at 12:14 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
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Electricity is not cheap either. So I'd have to disagree with your statement

If you're careful about consumption, electricity sells below the cost of production.

Heavy users pay more for their lifestyle choice.


My wife teaches on her computer and both kids use their computers for school. Throw in a tv and a few other appliances and we easily go above the lowest range. We don't own a/c and only turned on our electric heater once. Not really a lifestyle choice here.




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[*] posted on 2-13-2022 at 12:31 PM


https://en.www.inegi.org.mx/temas/inpc/

Inegi publishes inflation rates..,

As of January, 7 percent core inflation rate




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[*] posted on 2-13-2022 at 01:05 PM


Lencho: I noted before you have exceptionally low power costs and was wondering how you manage it? Do you have a limited amount of solar power and solar water heating to offset the higher costs of LPG and higher tier power rates? Passive cooling designed into your home?

Mexico has opted for a rapidly escalating cost structure beyond the very basics, and this allows poorer people to get refrigeration and minimal lighting and charging for phones and computers. The fully luxurious lifestyles we pay pretty flat costs for up here provide the subsidies in Mexico for the poorest out there that don't have tv's or other luxury appliances. Seems like a good system to me.

Up here my cheapest tier runs at a combined cost(including the daily minimum charge) of about 12.8 cents per kwh in Canadian Dollars, while anything above that level runs at just over 14 cents. Hardly any reason to reduce demand as luxury items become very inexpensive to operate.

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[*] posted on 2-13-2022 at 01:53 PM


well, thank gawd -- the beer is unchanged. all is right in the world
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[*] posted on 2-13-2022 at 06:48 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Lencho: I noted before you have exceptionally low power costs and was wondering how you manage it?


Grid power only, rarely use air conditioning (I grew up in Phoenix & fans work great), gas water heater & stove, no other major appliances.

I'm surprised at Bajaboy's situation-- none of what he listed are major consumers, unless his "few other appliances" happen to include large motors or resistence elements. Pressurized water system?

I had a housemate one time who used to follow me around turning off lights because our power bill was high. One day I showed him a comparison between the impact of using the 5,000 watt electric clothes dryer compared to leaving all the lights and other appliances turned on (he stopped worrying about the lights and suggested a clothesline).

One of those "Kill a Watt" plug-in power meters can be illuminating, showing up problems with inefficient refrigerators, for example.


And now with most lighting beind LED it's even less of a concern. Compressors and pumps are a huge impact, and of course any resistive heater.

We are working to install a solar system in our place that will support the AC in the day/evening. Trying to decide how much we want to scale the battery side to see if we can carry most of the evening as well.
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